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Ive been accepted on a mental health nursing diploma for next March but Im wondering would I be able to go into working with children with learning difficulties/autism after it? Or is this area of work a different healthcare branch? Thanks.
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Not sure. mental health and learning disability are two different things. Maybe ask someone at your university once you've started?
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Learning disability focuses mainly on those areas you describe
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What is the exact difference with mental health and learning disability? I've never really understood where the definitions lie as such...
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What is the exact difference with mental health and learning disability? I've never really understood where the definitions lie as such...

oh dear...

they do overlap, slightly...

Its more who you're working with..mental health patients is more dealing with human mind behaviour, such as compliance with medication, dealing therapeutically with their condition.

however learning disability is dealing with mind AND body capabilities, many patients with LD have epilepsy, or need ng feeding, entreal feeds. On top as education, helping explain things and living with their condition
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Thanks Sub, that's quite clear! My first ever experience of this sector was working with people with learning disabilities - I absolutely loved it but interestingly I've not really ever considered LD nursing. I read in the Nursing Standard last week a letter from a NQ LD nurse saying she struggled to get employment because employers wanted a RGN even though the job she went for was working with people with disabilities. What competencies do LD nurses have, can they work on an general/acute ward still or not?
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Thanks Sub, that's quite clear! My first ever experience of this sector was working with people with learning disabilities - I absolutely loved it but interestingly I've not really ever considered LD nursing. I read in the Nursing Standard last week a letter from a NQ LD nurse saying she struggled to get employment because employers wanted a RGN even though the job she went for was working with people with disabilities. What competencies do LD nurses have, can they work on an general/acute ward still or not?

no RNLD's cannot work as adult nurses, just within posts that as for RNLD's. An RN could do their job, and a child nurse could even do their job focused on children..tbh its a very pointless branch of nursing
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What is the exact difference with mental health and learning disability? I've never really understood where the definitions lie as such...
Ooops that did make me sound a bit naive and ignorant sounding!
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Where unfortunately that's the impression I was under. Although there is one (may be more) uni(s) who offer a undergraduate degree in learning disabilities with combined RN and social work registration which kind of made sense in my eyes...
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Where unfortunately that's the impression I was under. Although there is one (may be more) uni(s) who offer a undergraduate degree in learning disabilities with combined RN and social work registration which kind of made sense in my eyes...

welll..all ld graduates will have a RN status, but a social work registration?! :eyeball: you sure thats right?
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Just 'googled' it and here are some...

BSc (Hons) Professional Studies in Nursing and Social Work (Learning Disability) http://www.chssc.salford.ac.uk/socia...nalstudies.php

BSc (Hons) Learning Disability Nursing and Social Work
http://prospectus.lsbu.ac.uk/courses...?UCASCode=BL75

BA (Honours) Applied Nursing and Social Work (Learning Disability)
http://prospectus.shu.ac.uk/CourseEn...m?CourseId=518

BSc (Hons) Social Work and Nursing Studies (Learning Disabilities)
http://www.tees.ac.uk/Undergraduate_...abilities).cfm

Nursing (Learning Disability) and Social Work BSc Honours
http://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/Nursi...rk_details.cfm
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From looking further into it, it looks like the same is done with mental health and social work...
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fair enough, they're changing all the nursing courses atm..i still think learning disabilities shouldn't be a seperate branch
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What if learning disabilities and mental health were combined? And Adult and Child's health nursing was combined?
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What if learning disabilities and mental health were combined? And Adult and Child's health nursing was combined?

adults and childrens nursing are two very seperate things, tbh i think LD nursing should just be done in a masters and made avaliable to adult or child nurses- and mental health nursing is very specialised in itself
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no RNLD's cannot work as adult nurses, just within posts that as for RNLD's. An RN could do their job, and a child nurse could even do their job focused on children..tbh its a very pointless branch of nursing
I don't think it is pointless branch at all. If anything it is underutilised at present. I doubt that RNs are so capable of looking after people with learning disabilities based both on personal experience of supporting clients during hospital admission and official reports: http://www.lgo.org.uk/news/2009/mar/...g-disabilities

In my opinion every hospital should employ learning disability nurse to help adult nurses and doctors cope with unique chalanges that people with LD present.
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I don't think it is pointless branch at all. If anything it is underutilised at present. I doubt that RNs are so capable of looking after people with learning disabilities based both on personal experience of supporting clients during hospital admission and official reports: http://www.lgo.org.uk/news/2009/mar/...g-disabilities

In my opinion every hospital should employ learning disability nurse to help adult nurses and doctors cope with unique chalanges that people with LD present.

yes, it is helpful for when an LD patint comees on, however, there are already adult traind nurses, trained in LD to do that job..

its a silly branch, no jobs going, as they all want som form of general experience, and if there is a job going, its not really nursing, more social work
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[QUOTE=Subcutaneous] yes, it is helpful for when an LD patint comees on, however, there are already adult traind nurses, trained in LD to do that job..

I think it would make more sence to employ a LD nurse who trained for whole 3 years to work with this particular clients group with rather than an adult nurse who did a course. To be honest though I don't care who they employ as long as they employ somone. Becouse so far my experience has been that trusts do not have any LD liaison staff at all.

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if there is a job going, its not really nursing, more social work
I will leave defining what nursing is to nurses but I wonder how LD role is different from for example MH nurse in the community.
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There is a lot that LD nurses can do, and as with the MH branch the role differs hugely depending on the job.

belis, I assume you're referring to the increasing generic working by MH professionals in the community?

LD can be very different - think about PMLD for example, or the skills needed for LD rehab as opposed to MH.
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as i have been informed MH nurses can work with LD patients but not the other way round. I know an MH nurse who works with PMLD kids and this information is from her.
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