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    (Original post by Feral Beast)
    I'm starting to feel that state dependency is deeply ingrained within our generation. This is now an entitlement culture. No sense of work and reward, but pure and simple entitlement.
    Is there a direct correlation between work and reward? :eek: Gee, I'd better get cleaning those toilets -- that looks like hard (not to mention societally valuable) work.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    It's not silly at all. I've never met or heard of a hard working poor person. I know of a ton of poor people who simply do not want to work. I don't work that much because at the moment I'm content with what I have and I don't really need to but some of my friends that are my age work really hard and drive BMWs. A lot of people piss and moan at them because they are from rich families (that also worked really hard to get there) but then these people don't want jobs.
    WTF?
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    (Original post by HiBear)
    in sweden everyone gets about 130pounds a month until age 16. then if you continue studying high school and have less than 20% absence you still get the 130 a month..
    if you study everyone is eligible for the maximum loans. it's your choice if you need them or not. and everyone gets about 300 a month that we dont have to give back.

    that is how it should be.

    socialism is good
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    I feel that in this hignly charged environment is not the best place to debate this though :p:

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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    Not so, someone from a rich background may well conceivably get the fees paid for them by parents, thereby having no loan and leaving the poor folks with loans in relative poverty.
    Well, I see higher education as a commodity and so how it is 'bought' is irrelevant, it should cost the same. In the same way some people have to take out a mortgage to buy a property and others can pay cash. The house remains the same value, it was just funded differently.
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    Why? My dad is from a working class background. He has no academic background to boast of. He went into a full apprenticeship when he was 16 and worked his way up the ladder the hard way through sheer graft. He had as much of an opportunity as many others.
    Well exactly. As he was working class he (presumably, anyway) couldn't get into higher education and earn a high income that way, so why are you denying the right of poorer kids the right to funding to help them make their own money?
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    I'm sorry. I didn't realise I earned my dad's salary.

    What you are effectively saying is that you are more entitled to a degree because you come from a less wealthy background. Positive discrimination really does have people brainwashed.
    He didn't say that. What he said is that you come from a better off family who can afford more s**t than someone who comes from a single parent family.

    Just because people come from a poorer background(like myself) doesn't mean we are any dumber than 'rich' people infact it's usually the opposite. The people from poorer families work harder so that they can get a better job.

    Just accept it, there is nothing that you can do. So suck it up and stop portraying a rich stereotype of being victimised.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    Is there a direct correlation between work and reward? :eek: Gee, I'd better get cleaning those toilets -- that looks like hard (not to mention societally valuable) work.
    Its funny cause thats what I do and im middle class :rofl:
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    Why? My dad is from a working class background. He has no academic background to boast of. He went into a full apprenticeship when he was 16 and worked his way up the ladder the hard way through sheer graft. He had as much of an opportunity as many others.
    Checkmate
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    (Original post by Thomasmc135)
    He didn't say that. What he said is that you come from a better off family who can afford more s**t than someone who comes from a single parent family.

    Just because people come from a poorer background(like myself) doesn't mean we are any dumber than 'rich' people infact it's usually the opposite. The people from poorer families work harder so that they can get a better job.

    Just accept it, there is nothing that you can do. So suck it up and stop portraying a rich stereotype.
    You misunderstand. See about 100 comments in this thread where you will be corrected.
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    (Original post by fatal)
    Poor you having to work 16 hours part time. Try being from a low-earning family, I'm sure you take your house and it's contents for granted eh? What about not being able to afford a new cupboard for clothes? Or even the basic clothes in the first place? Things you take for granted like a decent tv, a nice kitchen, nice carpets and decorations, we don't have. I've worked since I was 15 and I not be put down for needed a higher loan. How on earth could I go to uni without it? Unlike you I don't have Daddy who could have paid your way? You forget that I'll have to work to pay off my £30,000 + debt where as you wont have to.

    In this country you should either be poor or rich? What a ******* selfish statement is that?! Have you seen how good people struggle every day? When I was born my mother had to live on £40 a week!!!

    You make me sick.
    Having a TV and nice carpet at home doesn't effect his financial situation. He apparently doesn't have 'Daddy' because his father doesn't give him any money. He doesn't have any money because his parents don't fund him (just like yours don't fund you) and the government doesn't fund him (unlike your situation). In fact, most of what you said was completely beside the point, underclass warrior. If you're going to be so vitriolic then perhaps it should be suggested that your parents waited until they could afford wardrobes and carpets and other things contingent in the the up-keep of a house before having you. Why should more responsible parents be punished because yours couldn't pull their own weight?
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    (Original post by imomo16)
    Well exactly. As he was working class he (presumably, anyway) couldn't get into higher education and earn a high income that way, so why are you denying the right of poorer kids the right to funding to help them make their own money?
    Yes.
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    (Original post by crazylemon)
    :no:

    I feel that in this hignly charged environment is not the best place to debate this though :p:

    :p:
    but wouldnt how we do it the best way to solve this problem?
    no was is EVERYONE going to take the max loan. some will some wont.

    whatever. :p:
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    (Original post by imomo16)
    Well exactly. As he was working class he (presumably, anyway) couldn't get into higher education and earn a high income that way, so why are you denying the right of poorer kids the right to funding to help them make their own money?
    I'm not though. I don't want money to be taken away from helping poorer families into higher education. Quite the opposite actually. I would encourage many to progress into higher education.

    All I am stating is that the Governments idea that students will be supported if their family is wealthy, is wrong.
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    (Original post by crazylemon)
    Its funny cause thats what I do and im middle class :rofl:
    Me too!

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    (Original post by HiBear)
    but wouldnt how we do it the best way to solve this problem?
    no was is EVERYONE going to take the max loan. some will some wont.

    whatever. :p:
    My veiws might get me a little bit killed in this thread :ninja:
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    Me too!

    :yes:
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    I'm not though. I don't want money to be taken away from helping poorer families into higher education. Quite the opposite actually. I would encourage many to progress into higher education.
    By demanding equal financial help for all students then yes, you are taking that money away. There is no way the government could provide the full loan and grant for every single student without either reducing that amount or limiting some students from higher education unless there are higher taxes, which I'm guessing most of the "poor off middle class kids" in this thread would object to as well.
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    (Original post by crazylemon)
    Its funny cause thats what I do and im middle class :rofl:
    i clean people's butts as well as toilets and im middle class... :moon:
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    My old man was on £46,000 before he was made redundant in 2001. No more nice birthday presents, no more holidays, no more luxury. Having to go through secondary school, watching all the other kids go on the ski trip to Maine and bringing in their new smartphones.

    I'd much rather he was still on that than get all the governments' support. EMA was nice but it hardly allowed me to live in luxury.
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    I agree with the OP. Yes, my parents earn a fair amount of money, but they have to pay for my brother, who goes to a special type of school, which costs roughly the same amount as a private school, if not more, but the government don't take this into account.
    I feel everyone should be able to get the maximum loan, because it will be paid back in the end, anyway.
 
 
 
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