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    (Original post by OhNO!)
    If you were making a point that actually had a leg to stand on, you might have been able to actually get involved with this discussion without resorting to just making obnoxious replies.
    And moaning because some words are used more often to describe women than men is not a stupid argument?
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    (Original post by BibblyBobbly)
    And moaning because some words are used more often to describe women than men is not a stupid argument?
    If that was the argument, then it would be stupid. But that isn't the argument.
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    I'm not the one who made the original comparison :rolleyes:

    Slavery in the sense of what the word Slavery actually means is still very much alive. Of course the situation is not exactly the same as it was then, but the fundemental issue is that people are still being enslaved.

    It is no longer legal and socially acceptable for a man to beat his wife but that doesn't mean domestic violence is no longer an issue. There aren't many people fighting on horseback with bayonets anymore but war still exists, it is just conducted differently.

    Slavery still exists despite the specific circumstances having changed.
    Domestic violence can occur against men too, you know? :rolleyes:

    "Libertarian Socialist
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    Lol, did you just think of the most radical sounding phrases and throw them together to describe yourself? I'd prefer a raving mysogynist, tbh.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    Domestic violence can occur against men too, you know? :rolleyes:

    "Libertarian Socialist
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    Ex recreational drug user
    Free party raver
    Lifetime Vegetarian
    Moral Functionalist (the rational part of me at least) "

    Lol, did you just think of the most radical sounding phrases and throw them together to describe yourself? I'd prefer a raving mysogynist, tbh.
    I know, but it was never socially acceptable.

    Personal attacks mean you have lost the argument, and you have an extremely inflated sense of self importance if you think I care at all what you would prefer.
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    (Original post by OhNO!)
    If that was the argument, then it would be stupid. But that isn't the argument.
    What is the argument then? Because I could call a man a slut, it would still mean somebody who slept around and nothing terrible would happen. It just so happens that it is more often used to describe women, which means the discussion is
    It's not fair some words are used to describe women more than men

    I am giving the responses I feel the discussion is worth, and that is ones of a mocking nature.
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    (Original post by Olivia_Lightbulb)
    Better evidence needed, but that doesn't consequently mean that women should be villified and called derogatory names if they do choose to be promiscuous. The point is that society expects men to always want sex whereas a sexually voracious women is condemned, and therefore those men and women in your nightcub example are going to want to conform to societys ideals, which as regards this, are unfair.
    If you want more evidence, go somewhere with alcohol and teenagers. And actually I agree with not seeing promiscuous women in a negative way, because it means less sex for us men :top:. And biology makes men want sex, although society may have some effect.
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    (Original post by BibblyBobbly)
    Surely everybody should be an egalitarian? Feminism is more about the rights of women, and aren't they pretty equal now? It seems almost obsolete now. I mean except from men not being called sluts which is a DISGRACE.
    The bit in bold is exactly what I've tried to say before, but maybe didn't articulate too well. I feel sometimes feminism is taken a bit too far.
    Yes, ideally they should be, and that incorporates feminism too. Maybe you should label yourself that. Things are better than they were before, but there is still a lot of work to be done, maybe not so much in this country, but certainly in other countries where women have very few rights in comparison to men. Even in countries like the US, women who are doing the exact same jobs as their male co-workers and are getting paid less.
    If the men are doing more work, then fair enough, but this isn't always the case. So no, it's not obsolete.

    It's not really as simple as that, the issue is a bit more complicated then the fact that men 'don't get called sluts', it's more about how society sees and responds to female and male sexuality differently as a whole.

    Also, regarding your last part, when feminism goes beyond equal rights, it isn't feminism.
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    I know, but it was never socially acceptable.

    Personal attacks mean you have lost the argument, and you have an extremely inflated sense of self importance if you think I care at all what you would prefer.
    Personal attacks mean he finds you a pain in the arse
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    I know, but it was never socially acceptable.
    Whaaat? You're arguing, once again, for something that has already been achieved. It's now no longer socially acceptable to hit a women, why can't you just admit that, in that regard, men and women are equal? Why is it now socially acceptable for a woman to hit a man? Isn't this just defeating feminism's goal of "equality"?
    Personal attacks mean you have lost the arguement.
    Yeah, sorry, but it seemed paticularly relevant.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    Whaaat? You're arguing, once again, for something that has already been achieved. It's now no longer socially acceptable to hit a women, why can't you just admit that, in that regard, men and women are equal? Why is it now socially acceptable for a woman to hit a man? Isn't this just defeating feminism's goal of "equality"?

    Yeah, sorry, but it seemed paticularly relevant.
    I wasn't saying anything about domestic violence being a gender issue, although it does still disproportionately affect women. Domestic violence is bad whoever it is against, any violence is bad whoever it is against. A disproportionate amount of young males get stabbed, I still think its horrible.

    The point I was making was that like slavery although domestic violence is no longer officially condoned, it clearly still exists.

    It wasn't relevant at all, and if you are really very interested the profile is just a summary of my views and the aspects of my lifestyle I discuss a lot on here.
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    (Original post by basketofsnakes)
    http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/l.../feminism1.jpg
    Well we wouldn't have to complain if the 'pretty' ones weren't thick as **** :rolleyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqGrg...x=0&playnext=1 To be honest, you can only laugh at women who go out of their way for 'women's rights', because there's always another woman, like Paris Hilton, who will undo all your work anyways.
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    (Original post by BibblyBobbly)
    Personal attacks mean he finds you a pain in the arse
    I know, people HATE being proved wrong.
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    The point I was changing was that like slavery although domestic violence is no longer officially condoned, it clearly still exists.
    Yes, but it clearly still exists against men too, so it's a moot-point. Wouldn't you agree? It's not something that you can add to your "feminist cause" :rolleyes:

    I'll PM you about the rest, I won't personally attack in public (so to speak).
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    I know, people HATE being proved wrong.
    May I ask how I was "proved wrong"?
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    (Original post by Failed123)
    Yes, ideally they should be, and that incorporates feminism too. Maybe you should label yourself that. Things are better than they were before, but there is still a lot of work to be done, maybe not so much in this country, but certainly in other countries where women have very few rights in comparison to men. Even in countries like the US, women who are doing the exact same jobs as their male co-workers and are getting paid less.
    If the men are doing more work, then fair enough, but this isn't always the case. So no, it's not obsolete.

    It's not really as simple as that, the issue is a bit more complicated then the fact that men 'don't get called sluts', it's more about how society sees and responds to female and male sexuality differently as a whole.

    Also, regarding your last part, when feminism goes beyond equal rights, it isn't feminism.
    I am an egalitarian, but I also appreciate that there are going to be differences in treatment and attitude, regardless of what you do.

    Well men and women are never going to be equal in all senses, as we are not the same. Just as 35mm has pointed out, would you still campaign for men to be able to punch a woman without anybody complaining, whereas it is okay for a girl to hit a guy, because that doesn't seem very fair to me.

    The thing about women and men not having equal pay is a recurring theme, and one which I do not know enough about to comment, although on face value it does seem wrong that women get paid less for doing the same.
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    (Original post by BibblyBobbly)
    What is the argument then? Because I could call a man a slut, it would still mean somebody who slept around and nothing terrible would happen. It just so happens that it is more often used to describe women, which means the discussion is
    It's not fair some words are used to describe women more than men

    I am giving the responses I feel the discussion is worth, and that is ones of a mocking nature.
    The argument is that when it comes to describing sexual promiscuity (especially, but not exclusively) our language is incredibly biased against women - which both reflects a bias in our society, and could create further bias. (this idea that language effects the way speakers understand society is called the sapir-whorf hypothesis if you're interested). Slut, like ****, is a female-word that can be applied to men, it's still a female word - and that's the issue.

    If you think this argument isn't worth your time, then STOP REPLYING. If you actually want to discuss this idea - then discuss it.
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    a big lol at this topic
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    I am a self professed hawk and even I don't find Palin hot. I prefer really feminine girls, they are so cute
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    Either make an attempt to understand the subtle meanings and implication behind words or stay out of the debate.
    It's your fault for attaching gender-specific meanings to pretty meaningless words. You can call a man a slut if you wish, it doesn't change the meaning: the word is genderless.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    May I ask how I was "proved wrong"?
    Slavery still exists. It is a fact.

    About the domestic violence thing, I've not actually tried to "add it to my feminist cause" I was using it as an analogy. It does disproportionately affect women though and in that way it is a gender issue in a sense. Gang culture disproportionately affects males. It would make sense to concentrate time and resources on helping adolecent males to stay out of gangs, I wouldn't consider this sexist or unfair at all.
 
 
 
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