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    (Original post by Smack)
    Well, it is. The bailouts?
    No, it is not.
    The bailouts what? Nationalisation is a step closer to socialism yes.
    But chance of Britain slipping into socialism between no and when the banks are privatised in 5 years or whatever is 0.
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    McCain's rating would have been lower, had he got into power.

    It's a lose:lose situation.
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    (Original post by BeanofJelly)
    That's because you can afford it sweetie

    EDIT: Anyone lacking a social conscience might choose private over state-provided, but I suppose if it was the choice between state provided healthcare or 3rd world healthcare you'd change your tune (as is the choice for many)
    More people could afford it if they didn't have to pay as much taxes as we do in Britain.

    I suppose I am quite lucky in that I have parents who worked hard enough for me to afford such luxuries.
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    (Original post by Rizzletastic)
    To be fair, his approval rating was so high originally, it couldn't have possibly gone any higher.
    Umm that's not true. JFK was hitting regularly in the 80s for the majoraty of the time in his first six months. On day 100 JFK had an approval rating of 83% (ashtonishingly only 6% disapproved!), Obama had 65%, therefore beaten him by nearly 20 points. But that was exceptional back in those days.
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    It's more difficult in America than it is here, considering it was the country's banks that triggered the recession. Also, a recession threatens the affordability of things such as healthcare and University education for Americans. In Britain, we still have the NHS around and the student loans keeping us at University even in a recession.

    Obama isn't a fixer of all these problems, so things get worse before they get better. Though he does have the charisma to lead a government that can fix things. He admittedly doesn't know much about foreign policy, and with the middle east and Afghanistan always hot it's difficult. Charisma won't fix things and deliver things instantly but Obama's ideas are passionate and inspired.

    He's done a lot better since becoming the leader of a country than Gordon Brown has.
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    ZOMG!!!! The first black president isn't ll he's cooked up to be!!!








    ...and...im over it. lets get on with our lives.
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    I don't care. He's hawt.
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    (Original post by Sharpshooter)
    Umm that's not true. JFK was hitting regularly in the 80s for the majoraty of the time in his first six months. On day 100 JFK had an approval rating of 83% (ashtonishingly only 6% disapproved!), Obama had 65%, therefore beaten him by nearly 20 points. But that was exceptional back in those days.
    JFK was an exceptional leader, Obama is nowhere near him.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    More people could afford it if they didn't have to pay as much taxes as we do in Britain.

    I suppose I am quite lucky in that I have parents who worked hard enough for me to afford such luxuries.
    Privatisation would be great if it worked. It would put more money into healthcare and would improve it. Though for it to be fair it would have to be firmly regulated, which would step on the toes of those who invest in selling private healthcare. A system controlled by one person would work better than two people who get in each other's way. So everything provided by the NHS is a great plan. I don't understand why the Americans fear Democratic reforms of the healthcare system as 'socialism' but I understand the concern of the government interfering in a system that works for most (three quarters) of America.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    More people could afford it if they didn't have to pay as much taxes as we do in Britain.

    I suppose I am quite lucky in that I have parents who worked hard enough for me to afford such luxuries.
    So are you saying that taxes are to high or that the US healthcare system is more efficient than ours?
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    (Original post by Smack)
    More people could afford it if they didn't have to pay as much taxes as we do in Britain.

    I suppose I am quite lucky in that I have parents who worked hard enough for me to afford such luxuries.
    It's not always about how hard you work...
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    (Original post by Rizzletastic)
    JFK was an exceptional leader, Obama is nowhere near him.
    No, he wasn't.
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    (Original post by Chrrye)
    So are you saying that taxes are to high or that the US healthcare system is more efficient than ours?
    Taxes in this country are definitely too high and private healthcare is much more efficient than government healthcare. What many don't understand about the American healthcare system is that with programmes like Medicaid a sizeable portion of it is government.

    It's not always about how hard you work...
    As someone who lived in a council house most of his life but now lives in a nice middle/upper-middle class suburb I can tell which class of people generally work much harder.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    As someone who lived in a council house most of his life but now lives in a nice middle/upper-middle class suburb I can tell which class of people generally work much harder.
    Very big generalisation there...
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    (Original post by Smack)
    As someone who lived in a council house most of his life but now lives in a nice middle/upper-middle class suburb I can tell which class of people generally work much harder.
    Yeah, and which is it?
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    (Original post by Smack)
    More people could afford it if they didn't have to pay as much taxes as we do in Britain.

    I suppose I am quite lucky in that I have parents who worked hard enough for me to afford such luxuries.

    Are you stupid?

    My parents have worked hard all their lives, but the fact is our medical bills would be hard for even a very wealthy family to afford. [Type 1 diabetes, heart surgery (£10,000), Optical surgery, alzheimers care (£400 pw), angina, arachnoiditis(massive costs covering whelchairs, stairlifts etc specialist consultants, experimental surgeries)]

    Without the NHS my family would be royally ******.


    This kind of attitude is why the healthcare system sucks in the US and the poor are frequently denied vital treatment becuase idiots like you assume that if somebody works hard even if they are a cleaner they could still easily afford the $148,000 for a heart transplant.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    Taxes in this country are definitely too high
    And at what level would you suggest the tax levels should be for various incomes?
    Considering the UK government debt is about £800bn..
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Are you stupid?

    My parents have worked hard all their lives, but the fact is our medical bills would be hard for even a very wealthy family to afford. [Type 1 diabetes, heart surgery (£10,000), Optical surgery, alzheimers care (£400 pw), angina, arachnoiditis(massive costs covering whelchairs, stairlifts etc specialist consultants, experimental surgeries)]

    Without the NHS my family would be royally ******.


    This kind of attitude is why the healthcare system sucks in the US and the poor are frequently denied vital treatment becuase idiots like you assume that if somebody works hard even if they are a cleaner they could still easily afford the $148,000 for a heart transplant.
    That's why there exists such a thing as medical insurance. We probably couldn't afford our medical bills for my dad's operation without insurance. Very few can, hence insurance.

    The healthcare system in the US sucks? Well, I know if I needed treatment, I'd much rather go to hospital there than here. I know many thousands of people from all over the world go there for treatment.

    There is no excuse for being denied treatment in the US. If you're too poor then the government pays it for you. Most employers offer it. If you're earning over a certain amount then you have to pay for it yourself which is fair enough. If healthcare isn't top of your priorities, which it isn't for a lot of Americans, you can risk doing without and not having to pay for it, hence where statistics like "40 million Americans don't have health insurance" come from.

    I don't see why if I don't want the safety of medical care if ever needed I should still have to pay for other peoples. I don't see why if I have a condition or disease which costs a lot more to treat I shouldn't have to pay higher premiums for it.

    And at what level would you suggest the tax levels should be for various incomes?
    Ideally it should be lower for everyone but a lowering of taxes when our government is in so much debt isn't practical.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    "40 million Americans don't have health insurance"
    And when they get really ill, we should obviously just leave them to die. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    And when they get really ill, we should obviously just leave them to die. :rolleyes:
    You like putting words into people's mouths. It is not legal for any hospital in America to turn anyone away who needs life saving treatment. If you don't have insurance then yes you need to pay for it yourself and this can cost a lot of money sometimes. But in that case it was most likely your own fault for not buying insurance. It is no one else's but your own responsibility to make sure you have cover. If you're too poor then there are programmes like Medicaid etc. I've read stats that the American government pays for over half of all American healthcare costs. I'll rake them out if you like.
 
 
 
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