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    Well, after completing the assessment on the National Pandemic Flu Service website, I've got flu of the porcine apparently! So laying here in bed feeling groggy and tired...

    Anyhow, I was wondering how this pandemic is going to affect the NHS, no doubt nursing staff will have to fill all the gaps! Apparently, the peak of the pandemic won't 'hit' us until September. So if the NHS are predicting a 50% staff off sick, who does the work? Will student nurses get pulled in to help when the going gets even tougher? Will specialist nurses from all areas get drafted in to go back to acute/ward care?

    From reading (from a speculative perspective) in newspapers that universities may have to close...where does that leave those going into nursing? How will it affect building up the required amount of clinical hours for registration etc?

    Discuss...:woo:
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    Although, if student nurses did get dragged into the workforce to help, I think there should be a choice which I think is paramount in any situation even at the deep end...
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    Your PCT in which the university is placed in AND the university guidelines will issue information on what will happen with the students on placement. ATM nottingham is making students go in as long as they're free of symptoms, this is expected to carry on till september. HOWEVER, Students should NOT be made to be part of the workforce we are supernumeracy and we should have the choice to be paid employee's, for example joining an agency.

    IF students are banned from placement, you'll probably be made to go on some 'virtual placement' a fair few universities are doing now (mostly used in learning disability or mental health placements if there are too many studentslacement ratio but could be used for other students)
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    being frightened of getting sick is a bit incompatible with being a nurse. One must be prepared to work with the infectious. Though I have to admit, I don't like working with AIDS/Hep patients, particularly when sharps are involved.
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    http://www.nursingtimes.net/whats-ne...000992.article

    in regards to student nurses being pulled it, we may end up doing so.
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    We've had guidance on a variety of situations (for pre-reg and post-reg students). Basically, stay within your scope of practice, NHS may ask you to volunteer but cannot require you to do so (I'd vote to stay within scope as a volunteer too).
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    (Original post by swiftuk)
    Basically, stay within your scope of practice,
    No chance, if it goes properly tits up you'd better get used to being ITU/HDU nurses...
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    (Original post by Renal)
    No chance, if it goes properly tits up you'd better get used to being ITU/HDU nurses...

    is it going to get that bad?

    I can see them not letting the first year nurses on their first placements at a level one not taking part as they're still new etc, but..what about the second and 3rd years?! grrr, i hope it gets bad whilst i'm in theory!
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    is it going to get that bad?
    Depends who's projections you listen to - WHO, Labour or TSR user base.
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    (Original post by Renal)
    Depends who's projections you listen to - WHO, Labour or TSR user base.
    From what I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.N.C.E has gathered, it would be 9/11 times 100.

    9/11 times a hundred? Jesus, that's...

    Yes, 91,100.

    Basically, all the worst parts of the bible.
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    (Original post by Renal)
    No chance, if it goes properly tits up you'd better get used to being ITU/HDU nurses...
    I can see nurses being encouraged from retirement, student nurses in later years being encouraged to volunteer, etc.

    However, AHPs can't use skills they haven't got - seen quite a bit of discussion surrounding how we might be asked to volunteer.
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    (Original post by swiftuk)
    AHPs can't use skills they haven't got
    Not everywhere seems that conscientious even when we're running at normal capacity...
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    (Original post by swiftuk)
    I can see nurses being encouraged from retirement, student nurses in later years being encouraged to volunteer, etc.

    However, AHPs can't use skills they haven't got - seen quite a bit of discussion surrounding how we might be asked to volunteer.
    ok..tbh i dont see how a 'volunteer' system may work

    and what sort of skills are you expecting support workers to have?

    I'd just expect to be on obs, ensuring barrier nursing etc no more than i do now as a HCA..ie supporting the nurses, i mean the NMC are in no way going to let us give direct nursing care, regardless. I'd also expect a massive recruitment drive aswell for HCA'S
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    IF students are banned from placement, you'll probably be made to go on some 'virtual placement' a fair few universities are doing now (mostly used in learning disability or mental health placements if there are too many studentslacement ratio but could be used for other students)
    How do virtual placement work? I seem to vaguely remember hearing of these before?

    (Original post by davey jones)
    being frightened of getting sick is a bit incompatible with being a nurse. One must be prepared to work with the infectious. Though I have to admit, I don't like working with AIDS/Hep patients, particularly when sharps are involved.
    I'm not particularly frightened but was slightly concerned working in the hospital most of the week - I kind of got the 'Why on earth are you working in a hospital now?' attitude from one or two people I know - well hey someones got to staff the hospitals when other peeps are off sick! Am I right in thinking once I've had swine flu once I shouldn't get it again???

    davey jones are you talking about HIV positive patients who have progressed to AIDS? As using the term 'AIDS' for people who are still relatively healthy with HIV is a bit 'old fashioned'. Surely is it not wrong to have the attitude of 'not liking working with 'AIDS/Hep patients' when using sharps are involved' - should we not be presuming everyone has these blood-borne conditions? Not only for our own safety but also to tackle the stigma attached to HIV and Hepatitis positive patients by taking the same precautions with everyone (like wearing gloves, having sharps bins that are near and accessible etc)?
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    (Original post by Roo90)
    How do virtual placement work? I seem to vaguely remember hearing of these before?



    I'm not particularly frightened but was slightly concerned working in the hospital most of the week - I kind of got the 'Why on earth are you working in a hospital now?' attitude from one or two people I know - well hey someones got to staff the hospitals when other peeps are off sick! Am I right in thinking once I've had swine flu once I shouldn't get it again???

    davey jones are you talking about HIV positive patients who have progressed to AIDS? As using the term 'AIDS' for people who are still relatively health with HIV is a bit 'old fashioned'. Surely is it not wrong to have the attitude of 'not liking working with 'AIDS/Hep patients' when using sharps are involved' - should we not be presuming everyone has these blood-borne conditions? Not only for our own safety but also to tackle the stigma attached to HIV and Hepatitis positive patients by taking the same precautions with everyone (like wearing gloves, having sharps bins that are near and accessible etc)?

    well..thats what happens already, you are meant to wear gloves and have sharps bins. I've given an injection once to a hiv and hepititas patient, and i was extra cautious and more 'aware' of the risk, but thats simply known knowledge and increased risk, you SHOULDN'T stigma and label the patient but its hard not to have that more worry
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    (Original post by Roo90)
    How do virtual placement work? I seem to vaguely remember hearing of these before?



    I'm not particularly frightened but was slightly concerned working in the hospital most of the week - I kind of got the 'Why on earth are you working in a hospital now?' attitude from one or two people I know - well hey someones got to staff the hospitals when other peeps are off sick! Am I right in thinking once I've had swine flu once I shouldn't get it again???

    davey jones are you talking about HIV positive patients who have progressed to AIDS? As using the term 'AIDS' for people who are still relatively healthy with HIV is a bit 'old fashioned'. Surely is it not wrong to have the attitude of 'not liking working with 'AIDS/Hep patients' when using sharps are involved' - should we not be presuming everyone has these blood-borne conditions? Not only for our own safety but also to tackle the stigma attached to HIV and Hepatitis positive patients by taking the same precautions with everyone (like wearing gloves, having sharps bins that are near and accessible etc)?
    the message was clear and unambiguous, as is the evidence that AIDS is caused by HIV. Of course we use universal precautions, which are... universal. I don't think it would be very helpful to presume every patients is HIV and hepatitis +ve, it would make clear diagnosis very difficult.
 
 
 
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