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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Could you please provide me with an example of how the social right goes hand in hand with the economical left?
    Dont you mean social right with economic right?

    People in the social right are only interested in lining their own pockets, not giving a damn about the working class. The same is true of economic right policies, those that favour the rich and **** the poor
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    (Original post by Chpz)
    Dont you mean social right with economic right?

    People in the social right are only interested in lining their own pockets, not giving a damn about the working class. The same is true of economic right policies, those that favour the rich and **** the poor


    Could you provide an example of a socially right wing/economically right wing government?
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    (Original post by Navras)
    Do you nonsense that you are are talking complete realise?
    Dyslexia sure sucks.
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    (Original post by Chpz)
    Alot of what you have said can be dealt with this, MARX WAS A GENIUS. How is liberalism to blame for anything? It doesn't get a say. Politics is dominated by conservative policies and so the Tories and capitalism has a lot to answer for and perhaps liberal politics should have a real say.
    So I'm dealing with a Marxist? No real suprise there; I understood a greater factor than mere anti-BNP feeling was at play here. On an economic front, short-termist capitalist greed is indeed to blame for our current woes. However, on a social front nothing other than liberalism has brought about our problems. We live in a left wing capitalist society, something most people thought would never be possible.

    (Original post by Chpz)
    I didn't. I said that is no such thing as a native culture, a mass of cultures of peoples who immigrate to a country and combine. They're not there long enough to be native until another lot appear. If it doesn't exist, then it cannot be diluted...
    If you think that native British culture does not exist, there is no real debate to be had here.

    (Original post by Chpz)
    That is basically what I have been saying...... seems like I am making progress....
    Not really, such an idea is more than worthy of me mocking it.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But why does it have to be cultural destruction? Why can't it be cultural evolution or elavation. For example the Roman assimilation of Greek culture, there were extraordinary changes, was that cultural destruction of what was a traditional Roman culture at the time, because to me it seems as if their culture changed for the better, especially in regards to patriotism?
    Cultural evolution or elavation comes through changes with relevance to social and economic matters,like technological improvements. Cultural destruction is diluting and dismantling previous culture to make way for a new one, which is close to what we see today, if not what it will lead to in the future. There is very little positive to be gained from massive third world immigration culture wise, as bringing third world countries into first world Britain leaves you with a second world slum.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But surely among the millions of Britons currently residing in the UK there are going to be radically different views on what has been part of the British way of life, or what they would consider to be British. Who is going to decide what stays and what goes? Are you going to force people to stop following un-British cultures? Or more importantly are you going to force people to partake in British culture 'ala' Nick Griffin's laughable policy about traditional British music (lolwut)
    Indeed there are cultural differences up and down the country, however in the past there was always a general national culture which permeated throughout society. The different views on British culture from different people in no way compare to the massive cultural differences between,for example,Islam and Christianity. Nobody would be forced to do anything.
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    OK it seems you have failed to answer my previous question. SO i'll ask another, why do you feel BNP policies will work today when Nationalist and Fascists ideas were presented in the 1930's and Mosely's failed miserably. So why in a more racially tolerant world would their Nationalist Fascists ways work?
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    (Original post by Dairy)
    OK it seems you have failed to answer my previous question. SO i'll ask another, why do you feel BNP policies will work today when Nationalist and Fascists ideas were presented in the 1930's and Mosely's failed miserably. So why in a more racially tolerant world would their Nationalist Fascists ways work?
    The fact that they aren't fascists renders most of your question useless, however I feel that they will become more popular as a result of public dissapointment with lib/lab/con and that the British people will want a British government looking out for their interests,and their interests alone, as economic and social problems continue to fester.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Cultural evolution or elavation comes through changes with relevance to social and economic matters,like technological improvements. Cultural destruction is diluting and dismantling previous culture to make way for a new one, which is close to what we see today, if not what it will lead to in the future. There is very little positive to be gained from massive third world immigration culture wise, as bringing third world countries into first world Britain leaves you with a second world slum.




    Third world and second world are terms which have nothing to do with society or culture. They are economic terms describing how rich or poor a nation is.


    For example a decade ago India would have been regarded as a second/third world country. But i am sure alot of people would agree with me that Indian culture is many many times richer more colourful and also alot older than our own.

    Your arguments are illogical. Just because individuals living in third world countries might live in a slum doesn't mean this is a reflection of their culture! It is a reflection of their nations economic position. You seriously think that an immigrant from Africa would choose to remain living as they did in the country from which they fled?! Then what would be the point in immigration.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    The fact that they aren't fascists renders most of your question useless, however I feel that they will become more popular as a result of public dissapointment with lib/lab/con and that the British people will want a British government looking out for their interests,and their interests alone, as economic and social problems continue to fester.

    But BNP economic policies ensure the party would never be taken seriously. The BNP's economic policies are just a vauge form of socialism and would never work in practice.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    The fact that they aren't fascists renders most of your question useless, however I feel that they will become more popular as a result of public dissapointment with lib/lab/con and that the British people will want a British government looking out for their interests,and their interests alone, as economic and social problems continue to fester.
    well in the 30's politics was a mess then as well, almost as bad as today but people thought better of it because that is not how Britons are built if that makes sense. Britain is not an inheritantly racists country and extreme views like those of the BNP are not really considered. Morover, god forbid they did come into power imagine all the trading partners Britain would lose. the US and Canada for one and even right-wing countries in Europe are not aligning themselves with the BNP.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Third world and second world are terms which have nothing to do with society or culture. They are economic terms describing how rich or poor a nation is.
    Cultural growth is stunted by economic weakness.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Your arguments are illogical. Just because individuals living in third world countries might live in a slum doesn't mean this is a reflection of their culture! It is a reflection of their nations economic position. You seriously think that an immigrant from Africa would choose to remain living as they did in the country from which they fled?! Then what would be the point in immigration.
    They improve their standard of life. They move from a third world slum into a second world one, it is the natives who created the better society in the first place who suffer here.
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    this sadens me

    Anyway, i dislike the BNP, i knew ppl in my school who supported the BNP. Every single one of those people were were thuggish bullies without any morals. As far as i can tell, they are a very bad and distastefull part of british culture and i would personally prefer them to be forced out of the country than any nice person who happens to have imigrated in the past 50 years / their probably very nice children.

    However, if i was in power i would not force those people out of the country, cos its wrong.
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    Haha just watched the Sky News interview, where he reveals who Phil Edwards is and they laugh.
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    (Original post by Dairy)
    well in the 30's politics was a mess then as well, almost as bad as today but people thought better of it because that is not how Britons are built if that makes sense. Britain is not an inheritantly racists country and extreme views like those of the BNP are not really considered. Morover, god forbid they did come into power imagine all the trading partners Britain would lose. the US and Canada for one and even right-wing countries in Europe are not aligning themselves with the BNP.
    The fascism in Britain was far more to do with fascism than it was racism. Mosely felt he was adressing the economic woes of the times by suggesting a totalitarian ideology. Why would British people want to fight Hitler but support Mosely? The situation is completely different to the one we see today, and holds little weight when analysing BNP potential.

    They wouldn't lose very many trading partners at all, and maybe if we lost a few of the ones providing imports we could become more self sufficent in any case .
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    Also, even if they arnt racist, their polocies fail on a matter of maths, they want to spend more than the goverments now by along way, and also want to reduce taxes, while also destroying trade

    it dunt work

    Oh, and Voluntas Mos Victum, i know you aint that good at maths (JOKE i hope you got a C or above by the way!)
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    Also, even if they arnt racist, their polocies fail on a matter of maths, they want to spend more than the goverments now by along way, and also want to reduce taxes, while also destroying trade
    Very little of this is true.

    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    Oh, and Voluntas Mos Victum, i know you aint that good at maths (JOKE i hope you got a C or above by the way!)
    Whilst I appreciate you went all the way through my posts to find something to draw away from the content of the debate, posting for my brother hardly qualifies as a slant on my character .
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    Been a long time since a good BNP bashing!
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Cultural growth is stunted by economic weakness.
    Example?

    It is often the case in poorer nations that cultural growth far outstrips that in developed nations. Religion for instance is normally alot more widespread and has a greater influence on peoples lives. Wasn't cultural religion something you named as being a traditional element in society?



    They improve their standard of life. They move from a third world slum into a second world one, it is the natives who created the better society in the first place who suffer here.

    What is your definition of third world and second world?
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    it wasnt intended as a slant

    and i think it is true, the general gist of all the BNP polocies i have read are about reducing taxes and increasing spending
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    (Original post by ForeverIsMyName)
    *Sigh*

    A few points.

    1) BNP's economic policy of protectionism, subsidies and socialism would completely tank the British economy.
    2) The BNP's social policy is divisive, racist and not something that any liberally minded person would like to see in Britain.
    3) The BNP have never been in power, and by voting for them you are essentially giving your vote to a group of former neo-nazis and known racists who have no clue about governing, representation or social/economic policy.
    4) Most of the BNP's policies aren't actually policies at all, they are just simply buzzwords that try to attract the self-confessed 'common sense' voter, someone who has no clue about anything to do with politics whatsoever - chances are the thread starter has absolutely no clue about the functions and roles of the European Union whatsoever, although I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
    :ditto:
 
 
 
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