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    Although the BNP has a nasty past, the reason they exist is because the major parties have ignored the issue of immigration all together and there are no respectable parties who speak out against immigration (except UKIP but they are seen as a one issue party).
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    Most Political Parties propose cutting back on immigration, so that seems a flawed response today. Personally I cannot see much wrong with immigration, a freedom to move seems a basic human right to me, as is the right to jobs in whichever country someone happens to live in. I'm against giving benefits (other than the very basic) for immigrants though I believe truly needed Asylum Seekers do require our help.

    Anyone saying "they take our jobs" is an idiot, potentially yes, but if they're better qualified then why shouldn't they? The best people should get the best jobs, don't like it move there, with the best people getting the best jobs nations specialise and with a free trade system in place standards of living improve.
    I could go on and on but I'm tired and the above was unfortuantely poorly written.
    Anyone need any part of my statement elaborating or more about why these right wing fascist views are bad for the UK as a whole just ask .
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    To be honest it's not the racist attitudes that bother me about them, it's the policies of the 'voluntary deportation' of non-whites or non-British people in the UK, the policies of capital and corporal punishment and the fact that half of the admin are ex-offenders!
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you would class prostitution as a British tradition?
    Prostitution is a world tradition.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But you are ignoring the fact that Africa has thousands of very different and very rich cultures, not to mention hundreds of languages. If anything Africa is a cultural behemoth compared to us. You seem to advocate one over-ruling culture? How boring... you would want a nation of machines where diversity doesn't exist.. oh wait your a BNP supporter of course you do.
    One over-ruling culture is necessary to social cohesion- this doesn't eliminate diversity, as going up and down the country, or even country to country within Britain, fairly large cultural differences will still be present underneath one dominant culture.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    By throwing around terms like third world and second world without even being aware of the meaning you have destroyed most of your own arguments. The economic prosperity of a nation is not related to the richness of it's culture.
    Definitions on such issues restrict each country to be seen as an individual case, but I think third world economic status usually warrants third world culture. Either way, the idea of throwing vastly contrasting cultures together in the name of diversity is as unproven as it is ridiculous.
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    (Original post by rennac)
    Most Political Parties propose cutting back on immigration, so that seems a flawed response today. Personally I cannot see much wrong with immigration, a freedom to move seems a basic human right to me, as is the right to jobs in whichever country someone happens to live in.
    Most parties who propose cutting back on immigration would do so in a tiny manner which would have little effect on the demographic shifts in the country ( for example, the tories proposal of a 17% decrease).

    (Original post by rennac)
    I believe truly needed Asylum Seekers do require our help.
    Good for you, but international law states they must go to the nearest safe country. Hence, we should only ever be taking asylum seekers from Ireland or France- crossing dozens of safe countries to reach soft touch Britain is illegal as well as immoral.

    (Original post by rennac)
    Anyone saying "they take our jobs" is an idiot, potentially yes, but if they're better qualified then why shouldn't they? The best people should get the best jobs, don't like it move there, with the best people getting the best jobs nations specialise and with a free trade system in place standards of living improve.
    The primary purpose of a government is to look our for the interests of it's people. A far better option than immigration is improving the educational system at home alongside encouraging an increased birthrate.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Prostitution is a world tradition.

    But is it not an element that has been constantly present throughout British society?
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Definitions on such issues restrict each country to be seen as an individual case, but I think third world economic status usually warrants third world culture.
    So you would say Iraq which was recently a third world country would be a third world culture?

    Either way, the idea of throwing vastly contrasting cultures together in the name of diversity is as unproven as it is ridiculous.
    But it isn't done in the name of diversity is it? Diversity is a consequence of these cultures coming together.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But is it not an element that has been constantly present throughout British society?
    It most probably is, but the fact that it is an element present in virtually every culture on earth makes it a world tradition.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you would say Iraq which was recently a third world country would be a third world culture?
    Yes,but even if it wasn't, that doesn't make it any more compatible with British culture.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But it isn't done in the name of diversity is it? Diversity is a consequence of these cultures coming together.
    The idea of diversity in it's current perverse form,amongst other things, is what stops British people looking at the consequences of multi-culturalism.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    It most probably is, but the fact that it is an element present in virtually every culture on earth makes it a world tradition.

    But surely then cultural religion is a world tradition?
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Yes,but even if it wasn't, that doesn't make it any more compatible with British culture.
    You are saying that a culture which grew up on the banks of the Euphrates and the Tigris is a third world culture?! It is one of the oldest and most influential cultures in history and you think it is inferior to our own in some way?

    I thought you were deluded but this is worrying.



    The idea of diversity in it's current perverse form,amongst other things, is what stops British people looking at the consequences of multi-culturalism.
    Would you be so kind as to explain what you believe is the current perverse form of diversity?
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But surely then cultural religion is a world tradition?
    In a vague sense,yes.Cultural Christianity,with it's various stages of evolution and advancement throughout British life ( See: Church of England for the easiest example), is clearly a British development which can be attributed to us.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    In a vague sense,yes.Cultural Christianity,with it's various stages of evolution and advancement throughout British life , is clearly a British development which can be attributed to us.

    But you could say that Prostitution is vaguely a world tradition, but that with it's various stages of evolution and advancement throughout British life the red light district of Soho is a clearly British development which can be attributed to us.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    You are saying that a culture which grew up on the banks of the Euphrates and the Tigris is a third world culture?! It is one of the oldest and most influential cultures in history and you think it is inferior to our own in some way?
    Yes, but let's assume you are correct. How is a culture which has developed fundamentally differently to our own supposed to assimilate and integrate with the British way of life?

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Would you be so kind as to explain what you believe is the current perverse form of diversity?
    The idea that not only does difference exist, but also that equality exists on every tier of life- hence, that diversity is a wonderful thing all of the time which could only have positive effects as everything is equal and can be thrown in together. The idea that the only direct effect of diversity is open-mindedness. The idea that diversity as a word carries such strong positive connotations that it is the be all and end all argument surrounding multi-cultural Britain.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But you could say that Prostitution is vaguely a world tradition, but that with it's various stages of evolution and advancement throughout British life the red light district of Soho is a clearly British development which can be attributed to us.
    Similar districts exist all over the world,and have developed in similar ways throughout most of Europe,at least.
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    (Original post by rennac)
    My Emphasis is on the "vengeful", can you see my point already? I hope so, what, pray tell, could possibly make the minorities of this country vengeful? What kind of thing would cause them to lash out against the White Majority? Would it say, possibly be imposing Racist and arguably Fascist right wing policies? That sound about right? Yeah.
    Thanks for your question. The 'vengeful' factor can possibly come with regards to two things. First, is the behaviour of certain radical Muslims, in reaction to Western involvement in the Middle East, and second, is the embedded 'chip on shoulder'-type moral that may tell certain ethnic minorities to seek gain in reaction to Imperialism and slavery. As I said, it only takes a few extremists.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Similar districts exist all over the world,and have developed in similar ways throughout most of Europe,at least.

    The same could be said for christianity.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Also... Why are we allowing ourselves to be shoved into gas chambers by a minority? Surely if these people are a minority then logically there would be more of us? We could beat them off using our traditional British bulldogidnesh, we could easily overpower them and then make traditional British victory signs with our fingers.
    I meant 'minority' with regards to today's demographic proportions. If a minority becomes a majority, and a majority becomes a minority, and the former group becomes headed by an extremist, determined to impose their expansionist religion on the West, then genocide against Westerners isn't out of the question. To be frank, scriptural guidance to "take not the Jews and Christians for your friends", and "slaughter the infidels" aren't particularly promising.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Yes, but let's assume you are correct. How is a culture which has developed fundamentally differently to our own supposed to assimilate and integrate with the British way of life?
    Could you please give your reasons for calling this culture third world please.


    Just like every other culture has, by combining the best of both through future generations. For good examples you only have to look at multicultural havens such as Dubai, Hong Kong or New York.


    The idea that not only does difference exist, but also that equality exists on every tier of life- hence, that diversity is a wonderful thing all of the time which could only have positive effects as everything is equal and can be thrown in together. The idea that the only direct effect of diversity is open-mindedness. The idea that diversity as a word carries such strong positive connotations that it is the be all and end all argument surrounding multi-cultural Britain.

    Your argument has one major flaw. How can diversity exist if everything is equal?


    Also could you provide an example from history when diversity has been a bad thing.
 
 
 
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