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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So all of the basic facts in this article are true. If i dismiss all the reporters personal feelings. The BNP still comes across as undeniably racist, hypocritical and sinister.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/de...cs.thefarright
    That's your prerogative, but it's also important to take into account that papers regularly exclude facts (including the Daily Mail), and believing their non-conformity to the principle of total evidence simply places you - the reader - as their *****. But I don't really see how this developed into a criticism of the BNP. You made a statement that directly concerned facts, I corrected you. Simple as that.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    I was talking about demographic predictions, not the daily mail article.
    Predictions using current trends, the likelihood of current trends continuing for that length of time is not that high.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Not really, that isn't the BNP stance on issues such as violent crime.
    ''Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public''

    Tell me what is a 'real' criminal, is it someone who gets drunk and punches their mate (a very common violent crime)?

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Statistics such as 40% of the under 20 population in London being non white, without taking into account illegal immigrants.
    1)traditionally there are always high levels of immigrants in big cities
    2)what does it matter if they arent white?

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Or when space and resource simply run out.
    That happened almost a century ago, the highest prediction for the biggest sustainable population in the UK is 37million we are over populated with white people, even if the BNP deported the 15% of the country that arent white we still wouldnt be able to have this self sustaining self reliant Britian they want....without some genocide. And if we deported that 15% I am pretty sure most of the world would refuse to trade with us, and so we would soon be down to low numbers as we all starve to death.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    That's your prerogative, but it's also important to take into account that papers regularly exclude facts (including the Daily Mail), and believing their non-conformity to the principle of total evidence simply places you - the reader - as their *****. But I don't really see how this developed into a criticism of the BNP. You made a statement that directly concerned facts, I corrected you. Simple as that.
    I was merely pointing out how you often contradict yourself by dismissing some articles and reports as untrue, but other articles that you agree with as fact that cannot be dismissed.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    I was merely pointing out how you often contradict yourself by dismissing some articles and reports as untrue, but other articles that you agree with as fact that cannot be dismissed.
    Well you're not. You're pointing out nothing but a strawman. I simply don't state that the entire article is false (as you asserted about the Mail). I'll dismiss the speculations if I think they're spurious - but to state that the facts are made up because the paper's "biased" (and because I don't agree with them), is juvenile.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    - but to state that the facts are made up because the paper's "biased" is juvenile.

    Exactly :yy: so you would agree that facts in Searchlight and Socialist Worker are always accurate?
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Exactly :yy: so you would agree that facts in Searchlight and Socialist Worker are always accurate?
    I didn't say they weren't. I just stated they weren't 'respected' in response to the point you made about the BBC.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    I didn't say they weren't. I just stated they weren't 'respected' in response to the point you made about the BBC.
    They werent as respected by you.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    They werent as respected by you.
    What difference does this make? Firstly, it conflicted your point which was that the BBC carried out the investigation, secondly, essentially all cases of 'respectability' are subjective, and, thirdly, Searchlight is generally less-respected by, well, almost everyone on both sides of the spectrum. This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic though. It's like you just said something to fill in the gap.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    What difference does this make? Firstly, it conflicted your point which was that the BBC carried out the investigation, secondly, essentially all cases of 'respectability' are subjective, and, thirdly, Searchlight is generally less-respected by, well, almost everyone on both sides of the spectrum. This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic though. It's like you just said something to fill in the gap.
    Exactly.
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Predictions using current trends, the likelihood of current trends continuing for that length of time is not that high.
    Maybe so, but in order for native minority status not to be an inevitability in this country current trends will not only need to change, but to reverse. This is without taking into account immigration.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    ''Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public''

    Tell me what is a 'real' criminal, is it someone who gets drunk and punches their mate (a very common violent crime)?
    By that statement, they are referring to policing tackling on their most important tasks, rather than trivial issues like the example you gave, and also to the chains of political correctness disrupt their various roles.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    1)traditionally there are always high levels of immigrants in big cities
    2)what does it matter if they arent white?
    Apparently you don't care, but I don't wish to become a minority in my own country.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Maybe so, but in order for native minority status not to be an inevitability in this country current trends will not only need to change, but to reverse. This is without taking into account immigration.
    No they dont need to be put in reverse honestly where do you get this stuff, 15% of the country will not outnumber the other 85% any time soon, maybe in a few hundred years but even then thats rather unlikely.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    By that statement, they are referring to policing tackling on their most important tasks, rather than trivial issues like the example you gave, and also to the chains of political correctness disrupt their various roles.
    Those 'trivial' issues make up a huge swathe of the violent crime and petty crime statistics that apparently prove our streets are turning to chaos.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Apparently you don't care, but I don't wish to become a minority in my own country.
    This isnt your country, This is OUR country, If a majority of US decide that WE dont care then thats it, (notice how the BNP arent in our parliament) go find somewhere where people do care as much as you do...oh yeah but then you would be the immigrant scum wouldnt you.
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    No they dont need to be put in reverse honestly where do you get this stuff, 15% of the country will not outnumber the other 85% any time soon, maybe in a few hundred years but even then thats rather unlikely.
    Current birthrates indicate otherwise. They need to be reversed in the sense that native birthrates need to outnumber immigrant descended birthrates for minority status to not be inevitable at some point. Combined with mass immigration and a fairly big exodus of people out of the country, the minority status is coming closer and closer.

    A video dealing just with muslim demographics in Europe comparing to native birthrates : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Those 'trivial' issues make up a huge swathe of the violent crime and petty crime statistics that apparently prove our streets are turning to chaos.
    That is an issue that needs to be looked at. The fact is though, violent crime should be nowhere near what it is at the moment regardless of statistical failures like what you mentioned.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    This isnt your country, This is OUR country, If a majority of US decide that WE dont care then thats it, (notice how the BNP arent in our parliament) go find somewhere where people do care as much as you do...oh yeah but then you would be the immigrant scum wouldnt you.
    I would say the majority of native people in this country would not want to be a minority. You don't need to be a BNP supporter to recognise the rights of the indigenous to rule over their own land.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Current birthrates indicate otherwise. They need to be reversed in the sense that native birthrates need to outnumber immigrant descended birthrates for minority status to not be inevitable at some point. Combined with mass immigration and a fairly big exodus of people out of the country, the minority status is coming closer and closer.
    The 'at some point' you are talking about is far far away.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    That is an issue that needs to be looked at. The fact is though, violent crime should be nowhere near what it is at the moment regardless of statistical failures like what you mentioned.
    You know what would lower crime rates? if we disbanded the police, then there would be no crime statistics and hence no crime whatsoever.

    Your logic is flawed.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    I would say the majority of native people in this country would not want to be a minority. You don't need to be a BNP supporter to recognise the rights of the indigenous to rule over their own land.
    Most people dont give a damn because most people will be long dead before it comes to that. I dont believe anyone has an inherent right to rule a piece of land, whoever is there and has the most force (military,economic,social) is the one whose land it is, At that time.
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    The 'at some point' you are talking about is far far away.
    How far away would you say it is then?

    Based on demographic trends I have looked at, I would say 100 years is a decent figure, looking at it from a generous perspective.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    You know what would lower crime rates? if we disbanded the police, then there would be no crime statistics and hence no crime whatsoever.

    Your logic is flawed.
    What?

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Most people dont give a damn because most people will be long dead before it comes to that. I dont believe anyone has an inherent right to rule a piece of land, whoever is there and has the most force (military,economic,social) is the one whose land it is, At that time.

    I would disagree. Not everyone is selfish enough to think only of themselves; I certainly wouldn't want my grandchildren living in a Britain where they held minority status.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)


    I would say the majority of native people in this country would not want to be a minority. You don't need to be a BNP supporter to recognise the rights of the indigenous to rule over their own land.

    So you think that Native Americans should rule the USA. The Maori should rule New Zealand, The Aborigines Australia etc, etc...
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    How far away would you say it is then?

    Based on demographic trends I have looked at, I would say 100 years is a decent figure, looking at it from a generous perspective.
    100 years, yes and you will probably be dead by then, 100 years is a long time in just 25 years or something the UK could be a backwater nation nobody wants to emmigrate to because its economy took a massive dive from 2008 onwards.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    What?
    Total Crime statistics do not give a fair representation of crime within the UK you need to look at far far more data to get an accurate idea.

    If there wasnt a police force, the crime statistics would be zero right? therefore there would be no crime?

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    I would disagree. Not everyone is selfish enough to think only of themselves; I certainly wouldn't want my grandchildren living in a Britain where they held minority status.
    BNP and UKIP are the major anti Immigration parties yes? are they in power? no they damn well arent. I think the evidence shows nobody really gives a damn, or else peope would have voted BNP or UKIP into power last election or the one before that or before that etc etc
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    100 years, yes and you will probably be dead by then, 100 years is a long time in just 25 years or something the UK could be a backwater nation nobody wants to emmigrate to because its economy took a massive dive from 2008 onwards.
    I don't want my grandchildren living in a country where they hold minority status,either. It could well be closer to 50 years than 100,in any case, if your own life is all that you care about.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Total Crime statistics do not give a fair representation of crime within the UK you need to look at far far more data to get an accurate idea.

    If there wasnt a police force, the crime statistics would be zero right? therefore there would be no crime?
    Agreed on both points.

    However there are deadly serious issues that need to be addressed with regards to serious violent crime. It should be practically non existent.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    BNP and UKIP are the major anti Immigration parties yes? are they in power? no they damn well arent. I think the evidence shows nobody really gives a damn, or else peope would have voted BNP or UKIP into power last election or the one before that or before that etc etc
    How many people actually know about the demographic trends which threaten the future native populations of this country?

    How many people upon hearing evidence from sources such as the BNP will disregard it as a result of an incredible bias which exists in the media and political establishment?

    I would dare say even on TSR, consisting of many liberals,marxists and white apologists, a poll would show that native people did not wish to become a minority in Britain.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    I don't want my grandchildren living in a country where they hold minority status,either. It could well be closer to 50 years than 100,in any case, if your own life is all that you care about.
    The idea that demographic trends will continue is ridiculous, and yes the birth rates for immigrants is higher, but only generally in the 1st generation after that it declines and more often than not becomes equivalent to the native rate. This combined with the fact regulations for non EU workers and asylum seekers has become tighter and most likely will continue that way means that the scenario you predict is actually very unlikely. The number of people in the UK leaving is also probably due to drop as many people find it harder than they have over the past 10 years or so to raise the money to set up lives elsewhere.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Agreed on both points.

    However there are deadly serious issues that need to be addressed with regards to serious violent crime. It should be practically non existent.
    That will never happen in any country at any point, maybe in a village somewhere. it just wont, it never has and never will. Even in countries with all the measures the BNP want to put in place (capital+corporal punishment etc) there is still violent crime.

    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    How many people actually know about the demographic trends which threaten the future native populations of this country?

    How many people upon hearing evidence from sources such as the BNP will disregard it as a result of an incredible bias which exists in the media and political establishment?

    I would dare say even on TSR, consisting of many liberals,marxists and white apologists, a poll would show that native people did not wish to become a minority in Britain.
    Since these stats have been released in pretty much all newspapers, most people do. When it all comes down to it, most people dont really care as long as they can live their lives nicely.

    I am sure many people would put that in a poll, they would care for a second before getting back on with their lives the likelihood of them voting BNP or doing anything about it is pretty much nonexistant, because it doesnt rank in most peoples priorities.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    I would say the majority of native people in this country would not want to be a minority. You don't need to be a BNP supporter to recognise the rights of the indigenous to rule over their own land.
    So you think that Native Americans should rule the USA. The Maori should rule New Zealand, The Aborigines Australia etc, etc...
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you think that Native Americans should rule the USA. The Maori should rule New Zealand, The Aborigines Australia etc, etc...
    Obviously not realistic or necessary, on ideological grounds I suppose so.
 
 
 
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