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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Obviously not realistic or necessary, on ideological grounds I suppose so.

    So if you had the means right now, you would give power back to all indigenous races who no longer have it.
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    The idea that demographic trends will continue is ridiculous, and yes the birth rates for immigrants is higher, but only generally in the 1st generation after that it declines and more often than not becomes equivalent to the native rate. This combined with the fact regulations for non EU workers and asylum seekers has become tighter and most likely will continue that way means that the scenario you predict is actually very unlikely. The number of people in the UK leaving is also probably due to drop as many people find it harder than they have over the past 10 years or so to raise the money to set up lives elsewhere.
    It is still a matter of when and not if,though. The demographic difference between immigrant and immigrant descended peoples alongside native birthrates is so vast that even a significant decline in immigrant birthrate would merely delay the process rather than revert it.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    That will never happen in any country at any point, maybe in a village somewhere. it just wont, it never has and never will. Even in countries with all the measures the BNP want to put in place (capital+corporal punishment etc) there is still violent crime.
    Of course, but the aim should be to get it down to an absolute minimum. To suggest it has always been there, and that only so much can be done about it, whilst perhaps having a basis in truth, is a dangerous stance to take. Burying your head in the sand about crime,violent crime in particular, is something which all mainstream parties seem to do. Claiming it is down 5% or whatever miniscule statistic it may be is simply a refusal to address the massive crime increase in Europe at a time when mass immigration combined with liberal thought and soft on crime policies have been spread.

    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Since these stats have been released in pretty much all newspapers, most people do. When it all comes down to it, most people dont really care as long as they can live their lives nicely.

    I am sure many people would put that in a poll, they would care for a second before getting back on with their lives the likelihood of them voting BNP or doing anything about it is pretty much nonexistant, because it doesnt rank in most peoples priorities.
    I would disagree. I think such a reaction would only occur if people did not truly believe the statistics, or disregarded them and pushed them to the back of their mind as a result of the politically correct doctrine and social conformity, amongst other things.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So if you had the means right now, you would give power back to all indigenous races who no longer have it.
    No. It wouldn't be practical or necessary, those events are deeply set in the past.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    No. It wouldn't be practical or necessary, those events are deeply set in the past.
    So you only believe in the indigenous rights of white people? You would let the indigenous peoples of other nations be denied their homeland? Thats awfully hypocritical.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you only believe in the indigenous rights of white people? You would let the indigenous peoples of other nations be denied their homeland? Thats awfully hypocritical.
    If I could go back to the past and put a stop to the losing of land from natives peoples anywhere in the world, then ideologically I would. To revert those events now would be practically impossible.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    If I could go back to the past and put a stop to the losing of land from natives peoples anywhere in the world, then ideologically I would. To revert those events now would be practically impossible.


    But we are speaking hypothetically. We are assuming this could happen. Would you be a supporter of the Native American peoples ruling the USA, of the Government being that one exclusive ethnicity?


    You said that it is the basic right of an indigenous people to rule over their own lands. Surely if sometime in the future the British did become a minority somebody like you would want them to be in sole control of their own country?
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But we are speaking hypothetically. We are assuming this could happen. Would you be a supporter of the Native American peoples ruling the USA, of the Government being that one exclusive ethnicity?


    You said that it is the basic right of an indigenous people to rule over their own lands. Surely if sometime in the future the British did become a minority somebody like you would want them to be in sole control of their own country?
    Hypothetically, yes I suppose.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Hypothetically, yes I suppose.


    So you would give Isreal back to the Palestinians, bearing in mind that the Majority of Jews were immigrants from Europe, Russia and the US, none of them were ethnically from that area.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you would give Isreal back to the Palestinians, bearing in mind that the Majority of Jews were immigrants from Europe, Russia and the US, none of them were ethnically from that area.
    Again,hypothetically, yes.
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    Advances in medicine and access to those advances are entirely dependent on an economy providing prosperity to put a medical structure in place.

    Sending children down mines was the fault of british society, it was the fault of a very powerful ruling class exploiting those below, and not providing for them despite becoming richer and greater as time went on, it wasnt untill social changes like influence of the new trade unions, activism, the rise of socialist principles, and the revelation that such ridiculous inequality should be challenged that things started to change, it was a social problem in every way, the social inequality led to economic neccessity and hence children were forced to work.

    If you think that social and economic problems are distinct then quite frankly you are an idiot who needs to read a bit more and open his mouth less.



    Yes people not agreeing with you actually does mean they are brainwashed, it could never be the fact that the BNP are just facist criminal idiots with half formed ideas that nobody likes.
    They agree with the BNP but they don't vote it because the media says they are 'Nazi criminals'
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you would give Isreal back to the Palestinians, bearing in mind that the Majority of Jews were immigrants from Europe, Russia and the US, none of them were ethnically from that area.
    Where would all us mongrels go? :confused:

    No, I'm not going to Brazil.
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    This 'quick word' on the BNP is actually ridiculously long...
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    (Original post by Celtic_Anthony)
    They are a racist party- the have a Whites-only membership policy for crying out loud, and they want to ban mixed-race marriages.
    And what is wrong with wanting to keep the British from being overrun, displaced, *******ized, and wiped out as an ethnic group Mr Liberal Morals? Either that will happen or war will redraw the boundaries that have been so irresponsibly removed by 'internationalists' (Who are deeply nationalistic when it comes to their own country, "Israel" ) . The BNP are building for peace, the LibLabCon and liberal politico-media establishment are building for world war.
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    (Original post by Kickflip)
    And what is wrong with wanting to keep the British from being overrun, *******ized, and wiped out as an ethnic group Mr Liberal Morals?
    Why not base your nationalism on eye colour or starsign? Why the **** would a self-respecting individual choose to base their beliefs and ideology on something as arbitrary as race, given that no individual chooses it?

    The only reason why anyone defines themselves by their race is because they have nothing of any value else that represents their acheivements and qualities that was down to their own skill and determination. When was the last time an ethno-nationalist won the nobel prize or contributed to humanity?
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    (Original post by Kickflip)
    This message is hidden because ForeverIsMyName is on your ignore list.
    He said:

    Why not base your nationalism on eye colour or starsign? Why the **** would a self-respecting individual choose to base their beliefs and ideology on something as arbitrary as race, given that no individual chooses it?

    The only reason why anyone defines themselves by their race is because they have nothing of any value else that represents their acheivements [sic] and qualities that was down to their own skill and determination. When was the last time an ethno-nationalist won the nobel prize or contributed to humanity?
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    (Original post by Kickflip)
    And what is wrong with wanting to keep the British from being overrun, displaced, *******ized, and wiped out as an ethnic group Mr Liberal Morals? Either that will happen or war will redraw the boundaries that have been so irresponsibly removed by 'internationalists' (Who are deeply nationalistic when it comes to their own country, "Israel" ) . The BNP are building for peace, the LibLabCon and liberal politico-media establishment are building for world war.
    What is right with drawing boundaries according to a factor that is an accident of birth? The BNP are not building for anything, they don't have a hope of being in a position to do so either. If we ended immigration to this country to give Brits jobs, the retaliation (i.e, other countries banning Britons from working there) would mean there were more jobless Britons than beforehand (The Economist, somewhere in print in my untidy bedroom). So there are sound economic reasons for allowing immigration from the EU and controlled immigration from other countries. Add into the mix that the majority of people get along with people or otherwise due to their character and not their race and their are social reasons at work to.

    I don't get your point on Israel either, considering I'm in favour of a two-state solution to that problem.
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    Why not base your nationalism on eye colour or starsign? Why the **** would a self-respecting individual choose to base their beliefs and ideology on something as arbitrary as race, given that no individual chooses it?
    No one chooses to be intelligent or talented either, why base an economy on those things?

    Listen, race might not mean anything to you, Jews are notoriously mixed race from thousands of years living in 'da ghetto' as a gypsy group, but to the rest of the world ethnicity is what they are, their identity, their history, their heritage, their being. It is what fuels the Israel-Palestine conflict, the Northern Ireland conflict, the kosovo conflict, the Chechnyan conflict, the Chinese-Tibetan conflict, and every other conflict in history when you scratch the surface. Go to any of those people and say their ethnicity is nothing. Plainly, it isn't is it, the truth is, it's what we are and governs all our actions.
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    (Original post by Kickflip)
    No one chooses to be intelligent or talented either, why base an economy on those things?

    Listen, race might be arbitrary to you, Jews are notoriously mixed race from thousands of years living in 'da ghetto' as a gypsy group, but to the rest of the world ethnicity is what they are, their identity, their history, their heritage, their being. It is what fuels the Israel-Palestine conflict, the Northern Ireland conflict, the kosovo conflict, the Chechnyan conflict, the Chinese-Tibetan conflict, and every other conflict in history when you scratch the surface. Go to any of those people and say their ethnicity is just "arbitrary!". Plainly, it isn't is it, in fact, it's everything.
    NAW IT DISNAE
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    (Original post by Celtic_Anthony)
    NAW IT DISNAE
    On the whole the Protestants/Loyalists are Germanic English immigrants, the Catholics/Republicans are Indigenous Celtic nationalists who hate England, the English and any notion of the United Kingdom.

    Protestantism is a branch of Christianity associated with Germanic Northern Europe, Catholicism with Southern Latin Europe. The indigenous Irish came to Britain from Iberia, they have Latin ancestry. The English came from Denmark/Germany/Holland, they have Germanic ancestry. It's an ethnic conflict. The establishment (for reasons known only to them!) doesn't like to talk about ethnicity in world affairs and casts it as a religious conflict, which is a half truth.
 
 
 
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