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    I've heard that to be thought as fully british then your grand parent, your parents and you must be born in Britain and of course a person who is fully British and whom skin is not white, then of course the BNP will not accept them as British. So anyone who thinks that the BNP supports the British or think that the BNP is NOT racist, then they must be dillusional!!!!!
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    No. The original English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh were migrants from Spain's Basque region. Never Celts.
    That's just not true, neither linguistically nor archaeologically.

    The Irish Celts, and thus the Scots, came from Iberia, yes. Research the myths about Mil Espaine. They originated in Gaul and migrated south into Iberia.

    The Welsh, Cornish and Bretons are descended from the Celts who stayed within Gaul and later emigrated to England.
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    (Original post by Hylean)
    Actually, it says 75-95% of genetic samples are derived from Iberia, not "75-95% of Iberians". Plus, that result could possibly be argued away by showing the high level of immgration to England from Ireland, especially as Irish Mythology has long held that the Irish Celts came from the Iberian peninsula.
    Yes. When I said "Iberians" I meant "derived from Iberia". I didn't allude to anything otherwise.
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    (Original post by Hylean)
    That's just not true, neither linguistically nor archaeologically.

    The Irish Celts, and thus the Scots, came from Iberia, yes. Research the myths about Mil Espaine. They originated in Gaul and migrated south into Iberia.

    The Welsh, Cornish and Bretons are descended from the Celts who stayed within Gaul and later emigrated to England.
    In fact, Oppenheimer's theory is that less than 30% of the English derived from North-Western migration.
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    i think we are not talking about the same "problem" here, i am talking about the problem of the segregation, not this "British way of life,social cohesion and indeed the British ethnicity" at stake, which you seem to think is happening. Could you give an example of how "The British way of life,social cohesion and indeed the British ethnicity" is stake so i can understand more about what you mean?
    The very nature of a multi-cultural society dilutes and casts adrift the native culture by displacement.

    An example I have to hand of Britain being in the middle of massive demographic change which will inevitably lead to cultural change and the destruction of British identity is as follows :
    Less than half of the schoolchildren in Bristol’s city centre are of white British extraction, chilling evidence of the rapid ethnic cleansing of Britain’s indigenous population.

    The shocking statistics are revealed in a new report for Bristol City Council by the Institute of Community Cohesion (ICoCo) which also found that Bristol has nine nursery and primaries where more than a quarter of pupils are of Somali origin, including two where the proportion is more than half.

    Four secondary schools have more than 10 percent Somali pupils, the report continued. In total, four percent of all schoolchildren in the city are of Somali origin, a total of one in every 25 pupils. The number has rocketed from less than one in 500 eight years ago.

    The report also predicted that the proportion of non-British children in Bristol is likely to rise quickly because the number of births to Somali mothers in the city is also rising rapidly — up from about 60 in 2001 to 270 in 2005.

    While Somalis are the largest group, Bristol has seen new arrivals from almost 100 other countries since the start of the millennium. Less than half of the children in schools in inner-city Bristol now “come from white British backgrounds,” the report reveals.

    The report based its figures on the 2008 pupil information survey of all state schools and National Insurance registrations for non-UK nationals.

    The study was carried out last year and based on 32 individual interviews and 118 people seen at eight focus groups.

    “Schools are becoming increasingly diverse at a much faster rate than the Bristol population as a whole,” the report said.

    “Demographic changes have occurred swiftly and without warning in some schools, with potentially destabilising effects.”

    The report says that “without rapid and effective action, like many similar cities in the UK, we could find ourselves in a situation where schools are increasingly socially and ethnically divided. We are committed to taking action to prevent this happening.”
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
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    good point, though imigration does influence our culture, british curries for example
    Sure, but at root culture isn't fixed by ethnicity, there's just a general association because the relative isolation or distance between populations that helps generate cultural variations also happens to generate ethnic ones. It's all too easily overstated though and all to easily essentialised. At the end of the day I don't believe my cultural life, nor anyone else's, should be dictated to by some BNP racial fantasy - cultural fascism is what they're about, as well as the racism.
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    (Original post by sashaxxx123)
    I've heard that to be thought as fully british then your grand parent, your parents and you must be born in Britain and of course a person who is fully British and whom skin is not white, then of course the BNP will not accept them as British. So anyone who thinks that the BNP supports the British or think that the BNP is NOT racist, then they must be dillusional!!!!!
    Here is the actual BNP definition of ethnically British :
    The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.
    The race issue is neither here nor there, and they clearly do support British people.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    In fact, Oppenheimer's theory is that less than 30% of the English derived from North-Western migration.
    Oppenheimer's theory is based on genetic markers found in modern England. Like I said, those markers could be due to heavy Irish emigration to England, something that has always been going on. Oppenheimer's theory has also been heavily disputed.

    It would be quite a feat for a completely separate Celtic tribe, with a different language branch, to come along to England, settle in such huge numbers without drastically altering the inhabitants' language (if we take my assumption that the Irish Celts came after the Britons). Conversely, it would also be quite a feat for a small number of people to come along and so utterly displace the original inhabitants as to overrun their language completely (if we assume the Irish Celts were there before the Britons).
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    This is a report about schools having high numbers of "non white" children, to me this sounds quite good. The last statement:

    we could find ourselves in a situation where schools are increasingly socially and ethnically divided
    i feel is not supported by the figures quoted, it seems that schools are becoming more diverse? which i consider a good thing.

    May i ask how many "non white" children were at your school? If you asked any young child i bet he would not blink an eye at playing with a "non white" child, hopefully that child after growing up with other children of different skin colours will then realise that people who have different skin colours are not that different, and parties like the BNP might not have so much support
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    (Original post by ForeverIsMyName)
    *Sigh*

    A few points.

    1) BNP's economic policy of protectionism, subsidies and socialism would completely tank the British economy.
    2) The BNP's social policy is divisive, racist and not something that any liberally minded person would like to see in Britain.
    3) The BNP have never been in power, and by voting for them you are essentially giving your vote to a group of former neo-nazis and known racists who have no clue about governing, representation or social/economic policy.
    4) Most of the BNP's policies aren't actually policies at all, they are just simply buzzwords that try to attract the self-confessed 'common sense' voter, someone who has no clue about anything to do with politics whatsoever - chances are the thread starter has absolutely no clue about the functions and roles of the European Union whatsoever, although I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
    Well said, plus it just goes to show how sophisticated the BNP's attack on society has grown, since the thread starter seems to genuinely believe that there is no reason not to support them. I don't care what people say, Nick Griffin and the BNP should go to hell and rot there.
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    The BNP has certainly grown more sophisticated recently, even over the last year. Having just looked through their polocies i have noticed how they have changed subtly...
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    This is a report about schools having high numbers of "non white" children, to me this sounds quite good. The last statement:
    To you it would sound quite good, you have clearly been subjected to liberal brainwashing of the most severe form.

    These demographic shifts indicate British people being a minority in their own country in the not so distant future. If you think that is a good thing, clearly we have nothing to debate.

    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    i feel is not supported by the figures quoted, it seems that schools are becoming more diverse? which i consider a good thing.
    You can mask these statistics under diversity if you wish, however these enormous demographic shifts are clearly an issue nobody is addressing yet would be of great concern to the majority British population.

    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    May i ask how many "non white" children were at your school? If you asked any young child i bet he would not blink an eye at playing with a "non white" child, hopefully that child after growing up with other children of different skin colours will then realise that people who have different skin colours are not that different, and parties like the BNP might not have so much support
    I was fortunate enough to attend a school with a relatively dominant ethnically British makeup. However, a look at statistics or some of the ethnic ghettos near your own area are enough evidence to warrant concern.

    Again, the issue is not skin colour. You seem to miss the point of the arguements I am putting forward. I am not suggesting there is anything intrinsically wrong with any race of people, nor am I suggesting that white and black children cannot play happily side by side. There are greater issues at hand,though.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    This attempt to link culture with ethnicity is bogus anyway. I'm probably as 'Anglo-Saxon' as it gets if stereotype appearances are anything to go by but I listen to jazz, eat Mexican and holiday in Greece because these cultural orientations appeal to me: my skin-colour/ethnicity/race don't dictate what I want to do in my life culturally and they shouldn't.

    Trying to associate tradition in Britain with the mere fact of ethnicity as if the ethnicity itself is the source is just bad logic, not to say poisonous politics.
    :yes:
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    I just don't like them :shifty:
    In many interviews I have seen on TV and have heard on the radio, they come across as abrasive, dogmatic and highly defensive. They will do us no good. :no:
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Here is the actual BNP definition of ethnically British :


    The race issue is neither here nor there, and they clearly do support British people.
    OK, then, ever BNP member can definitely trace back their ancestors to the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and if they can't, then how can they say they are british, does even Nick Griffin know???? :confused:
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    (Original post by oh_adele)
    I watched a program where one of their members was talking to a woman who opposed their campaigns. The woman said "I don't mind a diverse community" to which the BNP member replied "You will when they [Muslims] rape your daughter" :|

    Kind of says it all really.
    You have an Albert Einstein quote after everything you write, it's hard to take you seriously.

    Anyway, by our definition of rape; IT IS CONDONED IN THE QURAN.

    Read more.
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    you have clearly been subjected to liberal brainwashing of the most severe form
    Ah, an interesting statement, i see. I am unsure of how to respond to this, it seems that my opinions are considered brainwashing...

    These demographic shifts indicate British people being a minority in their own country in the not so distant future. If you think that is a good thing, clearly we have nothing to debate.
    Wikipedia states that the "white" population of britain is 92.1%, the highest minority, "black" is at 2% (Office for National Statistics. 2004-06-24. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nug...ank=1&Rank=176. Retrieved on 2007-04-02.)

    You think that this is forcing out our culture???
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    (Original post by sashaxxx123)
    OK, then, ever BNP member can definitely trace back their ancestors to the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and if they can't, then how can they say they are british, does even Nick Griffin know???? :confused:
    The vast majority of them do belong to the ethnically British group which I defined.
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    Anyway, by our definition of rape; IT IS CONDONED IN THE QURAN.
    have you ever read the bible?

    You have an Albert Einstein quote after everything you write, it's hard to take you seriously.
    why?
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    Ah, an interesting statement, i see. I am unsure of how to respond to this, it seems that my opinions are considered brainwashing...
    When I see someone saying it is a good thing that British children are a minority within schools in a certain city, I can see no other explanation other than extreme liberal brainwashing. If you were an ethnic minority yourself it would be understandable, however the idea of a British person condemning their own group to minority status is something I cannot get my head around.

    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    Wikipedia states that the "white" population of britain is 92.1%, the highest minority, "black" is at 2% (Office for National Statistics. 2004-06-24. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nug...ank=1&Rank=176. Retrieved on 2007-04-02.)

    You think that this is forcing out our culture???
    However, current demographic trends like the example I gave suggest that British people will no longer be a majority in this country in the not so distant future, as a direct result of Labour/Tory immigration policy combined with ethnic birthrate statistics.
 
 
 
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