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    (Original post by graham11238)
    How can you say you must drop it on civilians, thats ridiculous and a bit disturbing. Why would you do this, do you understand wars are fought for control, of either poulation or resources etc. You don't invade a country killing anyone in sight.
    indeed wars are fought for control. What greater control can you gain than your enemy knowing you could wipe them out in their thousands in an instant?

    OK, perhaps saying the A-bomb must be dropped on civlians was a little OTT but dropping it where it won't do damage is a wasted exercise.
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    (Original post by lm_wfc)
    The ending the war arguement is weak.

    How did it end it? By showing america had the power to do that.
    Surely one bombing would have done that?
    And the killing of civilians and a whole destruction of a city is not really ending the war, its a demonstration of power
    http://www.doug-long.com/hiroshim.htm

    If the ruling elite are still trying to figure out a way to win even after two bombs and then change their mind only at the insistence by the Emperor to do so, that says that they're willing to fight to the last. Unnecessary.
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    (Original post by graham11238)
    How can you say you must drop it on civilians, thats ridiculous and a bit disturbing. Why would you do this, do you understand wars are fought for control, of either poulation or resources etc. You don't invade a country killing anyone in sight.
    That is essentially what the Japanese did. Arguably, the Japanese caused the most atrocites in the form of slaughtering millions of civilians.
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    (Original post by ronaldo91)
    'greater good' eh? death in any form is inexcusable imo. Who are we to play god? Why should we as a world 'sacrifice' millions of Japanese people for 'greater good'?
    It was the lesser to two evils. If the Americans hadn't used the atom bomb to force a surrender, they would have had to have fought a fanatical conscripted army, led by a leader and his generals who took the stance of "defeat America or die trying". I obviouly don't agree with the killing of innocent civilians. However, I believe the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary, as the death toll would have been much higher had they fought the Japanese campaign conventionally.

    If you look at the situation simply using numbers and logic, you'd realise that it was the right course of action.
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    (Original post by graham11238)
    America weren't exactly innocent, Japan didn't attack for no reason, had their roles been reversed and Japan sanctioning vital resources for a war USA was waging, USA would no doubt have reacted similarly. Also the attack on pearl harbour was an attack on a naval base with the sole objective to destroy American Navy. It is not as if they went to New York and razed it. Do you really think the American's treated japanese prisoners of war well, perhaps you only mention japanese camps because they are more widely shown in films, documentaries etc made by Americans.
    I am pretty sure that when a country decides not to buy one's goods attacking that country is not the proper course of action. Besides it is not like Japan was completely innocent in the whole situation, unless you count their conquest of Manchuria and alliance with Nazi Germany as innocent politics.

    True, the round of innocent Japanese American citizens was disgraceful. But we did not starve them, we did not behead them, we did not tie wet bamboo pieces around their dicks and then put them out in the sun so that the bamboo pieces would dry and contract, nor did we make them do forced death marches.

    US treatment of POWs was much less severe than Japanese treatment of POWs - even though that does not make the US round up of innocent civilians any less disgusting.

    But no matter how 'wrong' the US was, that does not detract from the fact that the holocaust was much, much worse than the dropping of the two atomic bombs.
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    (Original post by graham11238)
    How do you think the two compare in terms of "war crimes" obviously the death toll of the holocaust was far greater but does this make it much worse, or conversly Americas bombings more excusable.

    Where the German's targeted a specific race and had their motives for the actions, America were far more indiscrimnate unnecessarily targeting a civilian city.
    Personally, nothing can justify the brutal slaughtering of the innocent.
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    jesus this isnt some sort of competition
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    (Original post by R£SP£CT)
    Personally, nothing can justify the brutal slaughtering of the innocent.
    What about to save the lives of tens of thousands more innocents?
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    (Original post by MichaelG)
    What about to save the lives of tens of thousands more innocents?
    I think the estimated figure was 4 million deaths if the US invaded Japan.
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    (Original post by dn013)
    I think the estimated figure was 4 million deaths if the US invaded Japan.
    precisely, the atom bomb was the lesser of two evils, as sick as that sounds.
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    (Original post by MichaelG)
    What about to save the lives of tens of thousands more innocents?
    Doesnt make it right.
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