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    I am looking to start my LPC at Nottingham Law school this year. The porblem is I have a LOW 2.2 which were due to personal problems.(however I have not told uni about this), I have read all threads and also researched on law firm requirements and clearly know I will stuggle greatly in securing a TC.

    For those of us who have 2.2s, is it essential to peform highly in the LPC even though firms do not really care what you achieve in the LPC? Also, would it best for me to apply at smaller provincial firms and then see how it goes, whether I get a TC or not?

    If not, I am thinking of studying a Masters in International Relations and then change careers and come back to the law sector after a few years
    Do you think this will be a wise move, as the current climate in the law sector is very bad especialy for those with 2.2s. I dont have funding issues for the LPC or masters, but would really like to know if the direction I am taking seems reasonable?

    LLB Law- low 2.2 degree, LPC and then a Masters in IR ?

    One last question - does it matter if you do a masters after the LPC or before? AND do employers look at whether you have a low 2.2 or high 2.2?
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    (Original post by Riz_K)
    I am looking to start my LPC at Nottingham Law school this year. The porblem is I have a LOW 2.2 which were due to personal problems.(however I have not told uni about this), I have read all threads and also researched on law firm requirements and clearly know I will stuggle greatly in securing a TC.


    One last question - does it matter if you do a masters after the LPC or before? AND do employers look at whether you have a low 2.2 or high 2.2?

    If you really had mitigating circumstances for your 2:2, then you should mention them when applying to unis for the LPC or for a Masters. The majority of applicants to top unis for both will have a 2:1 so may reject you if they don't know the reasons for your 2:2 as they may assume that you don't have the academic ability or are too lazy to do well at the course.

    I'm pretty sure law firms would not look any more favourably upon your application if you have a Masters and an LPC. Masters level study does not mask a poor Bachelors degree. Also, taking a Masters in a subject besides Law may cause firms to think you're not committed to the field. Maybe if you have no money worries, you could consider doing various work placements within the legal field for a year rather than taking an unrelated Masters degree, as this would show an eagerness to pursue a legal career and give you experience that might make up for your 2:2.

    As for whether a firm will look at your grade average and judge you upon them, that probably depends on the firm. The bigger and more competitive the firm you want to go into is, the more likely they will be going through applications with a fine toothed comb as most applicants will have similar work experience and similar grades, so they probably will look at your averages. A small firm might just wish to see your degree certificate and may take more stock in what you've done since.

    Hope this is helpful. Maybe someone who has worked in law will be of more use though!
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    thankyou fr the advice mate.

    Will I need to produce evidence for my circumstances and how will I need to do this? And do I produce this to my uni or for masters? I already have places for my LPC.

    If I have no luck with my LPC, and do a masters and then go to a different field besides law, will companies look down on me?
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    (Original post by Riz_K)
    thankyou fr the advice mate.

    Will I need to produce evidence for my circumstances and how will I need to do this? And do I produce this to my uni or for masters? I already have places for my LPC.

    If I have no luck with my LPC, and do a masters and then go to a different field besides law, will companies look down on me?
    You will hvave difficulties demonstrating mitigating circumstances now - you should have raised it at the time, supported by medical evidence (eg doctor's reports etc).

    It might be worth trying now but I fear you have left it too late.

    Companies won't "look down on you" for having done a masters but if it is in an area wholly outside what they do then it will be of little advantage when you apply to them for a role.

    As I've suggested in other threads, you need to take a long careful look at what you want to do and work out the most appropriate route to achieve that. Unless you have a real passion for a particular area of the law, I don't think that a masters is worthwhile.
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    You would find it very difficult to get a place on any masters with a 2.2 - and usually mitigating circumstances will have needed to be outlined on your transcripts for uni's to take any notice of them or consider them. If the purpose of the masters is to cover up your poor undergrad performance, you'd need a great grade from a great uni, and they are very unlikely to take you with a 2.2 unless you have extremely great work experience in the field of IR. (and even then its risky)

    Sorry - but I agree with other posters, it might be best to pursue a career as a paralegal or legal secretary, and in a few years time, if you still want to try the solicitor route, you'll have built up connections and relavant experience
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    At the end of the day, you need to look at exactly what you want to do with the rest of your life, and be realistic. Is being a solicitor truly what you want to do? If so, all the very best with your LPC. I've got friends who I studied with who got 2:2s and are now practicing solicitors. They're not in the big international firms and they're not fabulously paid, but they weren't expecting to be given their grades and they enjoy their jobs. Other people from my course who didn't want to be solicitors are now legal executives and paralegals. On the other hand, I didn't enjoy the law part of my course at all and had no desire to go on and qualify. I'm now about to embark on a Masters in something completely different because that's the path that suits me. Please do really think about what you want to do before spending a load of money on the LPC. From what you've said in your other posts, maybe a job with a charity/in local government/in the Civil Service would suit you as it'd involve working with legislation and policy but you don't need an LPC. Law has so many transferrable skills that are really useful in jobs like this.

    Re your mitigating circumstances, you probably should have gotten a medical certificate at the time, but this wouldn't necessarily be outlined on your transcript. If you visited your doctor and were treated for depression/stress-related illnesses, this would show on your medical record and a doctor might write a letter confirming when you were ill and you could tie this in with your study dates. It's a real long shot though. Also, if you did want to study for the Masters in IR, there are a few places that will accept you on a 2:2. For example, Keele and Oxford Brookes both accept those with a second class honours degree, whether a 2:1 or 2:2. They're not the best unis in the world (Keele is 43rd in the Guardian league table for politics, Brookes is 52nd) but they're not the worst either, and if you really want to do the course you may have to accept that your choices are quite limited but make the best of them.
    Again, good luck in coming to a decision.
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    thanks for the advice!

    Have you rad the 2.2 in law thread and the current dilemma I am having with the SRA?

    Regards to a Masters in IR and International Politics -

    SOAS have stated that as I have insufficient politics in my law degree they will require me to do a 1year certificate in politics and then I wll be able to go onto the MSC International Politics subjects to requirements such as a high 2.1 or first. (so thats one option). Dont know if its worth it? The ceritificate in politics doesnt really have any value but is necessary for getting onto the MSC which is highly sought of.

    2nd option is - applying for MA PG in IR at Leeds, Manchester and Warwick who will accept those with 2.2s and provided they achieve 50% in all aissgnments thye will be able to transfer onto the final dissertation and therefore will be awarded a masters at the end of the year. Though, this will depend on the overall application etc when I apply. As a 2.1 is minimum.

    3. Uni of nottingham would be great to get into as this is my hometown. The director of the course sent me the following email a month back:-

    My name is Andreas Bieler and I am writing to you in my capacity as PG Admissions Tutor in the School of Politics and IR at Nottingham University. Many thanks for your message and the enquiry in relation to our admissions criteria. Our normal expectation is that students will have achieved a 2.1 degree at BA level. In some circumstances, we also accept students, who narrowly missed a 2.1. A low 2.2, however, I have to be honest here, is most likely not enough to secure a place. Having said this, you could still apply and provided your referees confirm that you are capable of 2.1 quality work and that personal problems prevented you from doing so, there may be a chance. But I cannot promise.

    What are the chances for beign accepted there?

    AsI have pending exams at the end of Aug - will this affect my application and chances of securing a place for masters at the above unis and also keele? My result wont be out till 18th sept however, I will 100% be graduating with a low 2.2.

    I am applying at all these now but guess ive left it too late?? I feel like im screwed with the LPC news and now even this.
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    (Original post by Riz_K)
    thanks for the advice!

    Have you rad the 2.2 in law thread and the current dilemma I am having with the SRA?

    Regards to a Masters in IR and International Politics -

    SOAS have stated that as I have insufficient politics in my law degree they will require me to do a 1year certificate in politics and then I wll be able to go onto the MSC International Politics subjects to requirements such as a high 2.1 or first. (so thats one option). Dont know if its worth it? The ceritificate in politics doesnt really have any value but is necessary for getting onto the MSC which is highly sought of.

    2nd option is - applying for MA PG in IR at Leeds, Manchester and Warwick who will accept those with 2.2s and provided they achieve 50% in all aissgnments thye will be able to transfer onto the final dissertation and therefore will be awarded a masters at the end of the year. Though, this will depend on the overall application etc when I apply. As a 2.1 is minimum.

    3. Uni of nottingham would be great to get into as this is my hometown. The director of the course sent me the following email a month back:-

    My name is Andreas Bieler and I am writing to you in my capacity as PG Admissions Tutor in the School of Politics and IR at Nottingham University. Many thanks for your message and the enquiry in relation to our admissions criteria. Our normal expectation is that students will have achieved a 2.1 degree at BA level. In some circumstances, we also accept students, who narrowly missed a 2.1. A low 2.2, however, I have to be honest here, is most likely not enough to secure a place. Having said this, you could still apply and provided your referees confirm that you are capable of 2.1 quality work and that personal problems prevented you from doing so, there may be a chance. But I cannot promise.

    What are the chances for beign accepted there?

    AsI have pending exams at the end of Aug - will this affect my application and chances of securing a place for masters at the above unis and also keele? My result wont be out till 18th sept however, I will 100% be graduating with a low 2.2.

    I am applying at all these now but guess ive left it too late?? I feel like im screwed with the LPC news and now even this.
    I strongly recommend you consider the first paragraph of Jellybeanjen's post above - excellent advice. I don't think that doing a masters at a lower ranked university will be of any real benefit to you.
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    the problem is that I had fully decided to do the lpc and lead a career in the legal profession. However, the dilemma I have posted in my other thread makes me feel that I wont have a chance of pursuing the lpc in sep? As you have mentioned my excuse is not strong enough. They have stated that I could do it part time? Is it worth doing part time?
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    (Original post by Riz_K)
    the problem is that I had fully decided to do the lpc and lead a career in the legal profession. However, the dilemma I have posted in my other thread makes me feel that I wont have a chance of pursuing the lpc in sep? As you have mentioned my excuse is not strong enough. They have stated that I could do it part time? Is it worth doing part time?
    I keep coming back to my earlier questions: what is it that you really want to do? Do you desperately want to be a solicitor? If so, in what area? Are your goals realistic given your results? If you are brutally honest with yourself, were your academic results caused by your issues/difficulties at Uni or did you struggle with the subject?

    If the answer to these questions is that you're determined to be a lawyer, despite the considerable obstacles you face, then it may be that a part-time LPC whilst doing other work/study might be a viable option. You could look to do volunteer work to give you experience in the charity field. You could try and do some paralegalling at the sort of firms you're interested in.

    You need to look at what you want to achieve first, and then work out what study options fit that. At the moment you seem to be looking at available study options then seeing how your career/work will flow from that. It's the wrong way round.
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    I really was set on doing the LPC and from there onwards going into immigration/ human rights related work.

    Is there any point doing it part time and at the same time get some experience under my belt.?
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    (Original post by Riz_K)
    I really was set on doing the LPC and from there onwards going into immigration/ human rights related work.

    Is there any point doing it part time and at the same time get some experience under my belt.?
    Well, that's good - you have a goal.

    You should be aware that you won't find firms that do solely "human rights work". HR is really a concept that influences a variety of practice areas including immigration.

    If immigration is what you're interested in, do you know what firms specialise in that area? Do you know what they're looking for in their candidates? Have you approached any for work experience? Do you have any legal work experience generally? Do any of your extra-currics demonstrate that this is an area of work that you'd be suited to?

    If you have positive responses to those questions, you can start to plan how you might attain a TC with an immigration firm. It may well be that a part-time LPC coupled with part-time paralegalling for a law firm would be a good way to go. I don't see that a masters in IR would really assist.

    If you don't have positive responses to those questions, you might need to rethink and see what other options are out there. What is it about immigration that interests you - are there othe organisations etc out there you could look to work for (in a non-legal capacity) which would interest/satisfy you in the same way?
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    (Original post by Riz_K)
    I am looking to start my LPC at Nottingham Law school this year. The porblem is I have a LOW 2.2 which were due to personal problems.(however I have not told uni about this), I have read all threads and also researched on law firm requirements and clearly know I will stuggle greatly in securing a TC.

    For those of us who have 2.2s, is it essential to peform highly in the LPC even though firms do not really care what you achieve in the LPC? Also, would it best for me to apply at smaller provincial firms and then see how it goes, whether I get a TC or not?

    If not, I am thinking of studying a Masters in International Relations and then change careers and come back to the law sector after a few years

    LLB Law- low 2.2 degree, LPC and then a Masters in IR ?

    One last question - does it matter if you do a masters after the LPC or before? AND do employers look at whether you have a low 2.2 or high 2.2?
    Ok firstly don't panic.
    I am doing a masters before the LPC. I decided this because I thought the LPC is likely to go straight into a career, for which I am not ready as I am rather young for my year. But it is down to personal preferences. Do what is right for you!
    A masters is always a good idea if you want to bulk up your 2.2 so pat on back for that decision. If you can honestly say that Law is the right choice for you, then you should maybe look to do an MA rather than an LLM. MA's sometimes have lower grade requirements and you can do plenty of different law related subjects. If you want to do IR, then it sounds like you maybe don't want to do Law. If this is true then just because you've done Law at undergrad level it doesn't mean you HAVE to be a lawyer! Just think about that!

    Next universities for masters:
    Now QMUL will probably definately consider you for an MA in law, but not necessarily an LLM. But you can apply for two, so you can always try. Manchester have let in 2.2s but they oversubscribe and kick people out if they don't match to the requirements.
    Also try Birmingham.... they have let people on with 2.2s for LLMs.
    You need to sit down and phone different unis. Most are friendly and happy to help! Plus they want your money!!!

    When making applications, emphasise upon your better module marks. And explain that you are capable of producing good results.

    Lastly.....don't give up. If you want to do law, you need to do lots of ringing, emailing, letterwriting. Decide if there is one particular area of law you want to do...ie if you got high grades in Public law, highlight this! And find relevant firms. Ie I like Family Law so I am researching Family Law firms! People with 2.2s do struggle but do eventually succeed! It's just harder.

    Good luck
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    Ok firstly don't panic.
    I am doing a masters before the LPC. I decided this because I thought the LPC is likely to go straight into a career, for which I am not ready as I am rather young for my year. But it is down to personal preferences. Do what is right for you!
    A masters is always a good idea if you want to bulk up your 2.2 so pat on back for that decision. If you can honestly say that Law is the right choice for you, then you should maybe look to do an MA rather than an LLM. MA's sometimes have lower grade requirements and you can do plenty of different law related subjects. If you want to do IR, then it sounds like you maybe don't want to do Law. If this is true then just because you've done Law at undergrad level it doesn't mean you HAVE to be a lawyer! Just think about that!

    Next universities for masters:
    Now QMUL will probably definately consider you for an MA in law, but not necessarily an LLM. But you can apply for two, so you can always try. Manchester have let in 2.2s but they oversubscribe and kick people out if they don't match to the requirements.
    Also try Birmingham.... they have let people on with 2.2s for LLMs.
    You need to sit down and phone different unis. Most are friendly and happy to help! Plus they want your money!!!

    When making applications, emphasise upon your better module marks. And explain that you are capable of producing good results.

    Lastly.....don't give up. If you want to do law, you need to do lots of ringing, emailing, letterwriting. Decide if there is one particular area of law you want to do...ie if you got high grades in Public law, highlight this! And find relevant firms. Ie I like Family Law so I am researching Family Law firms! People with 2.2s do struggle but do eventually succeed! It's just harder.

    Good luck
    Unfortunately a masters won't (in the eyes of most employers) overcome a 2:ii.

    Riz - I suggest you look carefully at the questions in my previous post.
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    so if you have done 2 mini pupillages, and you are predicted a 2.2 in ur 2nd yr, do you think its NOT wise to pursue a career at the bar still?especially if your marks in ur 1st yr were of 2.2 level as well?
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    so if you have done 2 mini pupillages, and you are predicted a 2.2 in ur 2nd yr, do you think its NOT wise to pursue a career at the bar still?especially if your marks in ur 1st yr were of 2.2 level as well?
    Correct.
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    hmmmmmmmmmm....but what if you have a real passion and ambition in achieving a career at the bar- and you have done various other type of legal work experiences-i.e.fru, or marshalling, or law centres, is it worth the risk of applying for a career at the bar?

    additionally,
    when you do apply for a pupillage, do they look at your 1st yr and 2nd yr undergrad marks as well as your overall mark or just your final class grade?

    Please help
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    (Original post by devilinthehouseA)
    hmmmmmmmmmm....but what if you have a real passion and ambition in achieving a career at the bar- and you have done various other type of legal work experiences-i.e.fru, or marshalling, or law centres, is it worth the risk of applying for a career at the bar?

    additionally,
    when you do apply for a pupillage, do they look at your 1st yr and 2nd yr undergrad marks as well as your overall mark or just your final class grade?

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    Which University are you at?

    In my view, if you are a consistent 2:ii candidate then you are wasting your time applying to the Bar. There are hundreds of excellent 2:i candidates out there, with plenty of law-related ECs, who are unable to secure pupillage.

    I believe most chambers will want to see your module grades.

    Unfortunately passion and ambition do not outweigh academics when it comes to securing pupillage.
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    (Original post by devilinthehouseA)
    hmmmmmmmmmm....but what if you have a real passion and ambition in achieving a career at the bar- and you have done various other type of legal work experiences-i.e.fru, or marshalling, or law centres, is it worth the risk of applying for a career at the bar?

    additionally,
    when you do apply for a pupillage, do they look at your 1st yr and 2nd yr undergrad marks as well as your overall mark or just your final class grade?

    Please help
    I would suggest you park your ambition to go to the bar and get another career. If in 8-10 years time you want to give it another shot, you will be a far better candidate
 
 
 
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