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    I don't know if anyone had mentioned them as I can't be arsed to read the entire thread.But the ones who annoy me are the anti-war types. I'm not talking about people who embrace pacifism , as that is someone opinion and thats fine.The ones who grip my **** are the ***** who use dead and wounded solidiers as pawns to try and emotionally blackmail politicians and members of the public. They don't really care about them, they are using them just like some politicians do.They are no better than the ********* they protest against.

    They even drag the poor baarstards greiving parents out who more than likely and understandably will have a poor opinion on politicians and the war. Especially these current wars which to many , it seems no one know why we are there.I could cheerfully rip their throats out .Thats how angry they make me.

    Oh and the other thing that annoys me are the ones who persist in blaming our lads and lassies who are out there doing their job .They had no choice where they were sent. You don't get a multiple choice questionaire. They sign up and make a commitment to this country. Some of these hippies can't get their heads round honour and committing yourself to this nation.

    I do think the public in general while not openly disrespectful I think take the soldiers for granted. There is this image of a pissed thick squaddY .That joining the army is what no hopers do.When in reality the army can be the making of many men and women ,giving them man management skills that are valuable in civvy street. Then we have the fact many of the public themselves are part of the 'me' generation. And as long as they have big brother and can get their beer, watch Beckham playing footy who cares about the soldiers? Defence spending is seen as wasteful , when the budgest for social securityand the health service as truly massive compared to it and getting larger.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Yes, but similarly that man chose his job. He CHOSE to be a soldier knowing that risk, and knowing that he may have to do that to other people. Not only that, but if he was anything like djmarkmclachlan he would've felt no guilt doing that to another person either.
    I'm not saying it's not a terrible thing that soldiers get injured - it is - but they've brought it on themselves by their choice of career and willingness to harm others in that very same way.
    Wow. NO ****.

    So the army is a one way ticket to ostracisation now is it? If you take that argument to its logical extreme then people will beome social pariahs the moment they sign up....after all you're bascially admitting that anyone who becomes a soldier goes right down in your opinion. #

    ANyway, WHen they signed up i'm pretty sure most soldiersa do to protect their country....after all, if you look back historically most wars were fought in the name of defending back home.....it's the reason you and i are around today in all probability...ww2 being a good example. they didnt know the pathetic labour government were going to use them as target practice for the taliban....but they were under obligation to go and fight.

    sadly, the labour party's nonsensical use of our forces seems to have created idiots like you.....who confuse a bad government with what the army is really for.....YOUR protection should you ever be unlucky enough to need. it. they didnt sign up as hired killers....they signed up because of the stories of heroism their grand dad told them and the pictures of ve day when this country actually had some pride...because of the stories of the holocaust....they are defenders not thugs.....if you cant distinguish between the pathetic labour party and the essence of what wrmed forces represent that is your problem.

    i have lost all respect for you anyway. since in another thread you actually admitted that you dont have any respect for anyone who fought in ww2. you're a silly little girl who despite being older than me has a hell of a lot of growing up to do.
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    (Original post by djmarkmclachlan)
    Mate, I'm not going to get back into this thread, but I'd like say thanks, it's really heart-warming to read a post like that. I'll +rep you, not that that means anything though. If I were to meet you I'd shake your hand, I wish there were more like you. Excellent, mature, attitude - those serving, and especially those injured/ killed, would do the same.

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    (Original post by dn013)
    edit - What do you think about all the soldiers who do charitable work, including disaster relief and food aid.
    I'd have total respect for them if it were an entirely separate job, but those soldiers still signed up knowing they could be sent to kill at any time.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I'm not sure Brits can be patriotic without minorities feeling ostracized. That's why people in Europe get uncomfortable with patriotism. In the US, patriotism is used to bring all minorities together. For some reason, in other countries it doesn't work that way. I'm not sure why, maybe because patriotism in most european countries is based on language and ethnicity. They confuse it with nationalism. To be patriotic, people are going to have to redefine what patriotism means first.
    This is, sadly, very true. There's definitely something in the air over here. PErsonally, i've always admired the USA a hell of a lot. Sure, it had some bad bits in its history...but let's face it....they do everything better than we do. ALso, they are the only superpower, were, are, will be (look at china, brazil, india :puke:) who actually upholds the citizen's liberties. what a country

    tbh, i think it's the optimistic nature of americans versus the pessimism of europeans. in america...the can do attitude makes anything possible....it presumes people to be good natured and inclusive until proven otherwise....because of this people believe they can and should subscibe to a higher national identity cos they think it will work. in europe on the other hand....we presume it cant work because patriotism is presumed to be inherently racist...we have this white guilt thing over here where we all feel like we are responsible for what our fore bearers did centuries ago...because of this we tell ourselves (or the govt tells us) patriotism is wrong....the minorities are therefore taught it is wrong and that is why it ostracises them
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I'd have total respect for them if it were an entirely separate job, but those soldiers still signed up knowing they could be sent to kill at any time.
    You know what, its your own belief system I should not question it.

    But do you mind me testing my theory. If you were saw a soldier in the street would you go up to him and tell him what you thought? Or would you just let me be.

    Similarly if you lived in Wootton Bassett would you attend the funeral processions?
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    (Original post by dn013)
    You know what, its your own belief system I should not question it.

    But do you mind me testing my theory. If you were saw a soldier in the street would you go up to him and tell him what you thought? Or would you just let me be.

    Similarly if you lived in Wootton Bassett would you attend the funeral processions?
    No, of course you're allowed to question. There'd be no point in discussing anything, otherwise. :p:

    I wouldn't tell a soldier what I thought of them, no. It's their choice what they do, I just don't respect it personally. I also wouldn't attend the funeral processions.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    No, of course you're allowed to question. There'd be no point in discussing anything, otherwise. :p:

    I wouldn't tell a soldier what I thought of them, no. It's their choice what they do, I just don't respect it personally. I also wouldn't attend the funeral processions.
    Cool thanks.

    Just one last question, if you do not believe that there are any times when fighting is necessary - what would you propose to do if say the UK was invaded?
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    (Original post by dn013)
    Cool thanks.

    Just one last question, if you do not believe that there are any times when fighting is necessary - what would you propose to do if say the UK was invaded?
    Personally, I'd run and hide and hope I survived by some method of pure luck and magic. :p:
    I wouldn't have any overall solution, unfortunately, because sadly armed forces around the world are never going to disband. This is why I shall never be PM :p:
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Personally, I'd run and hide and hope I survived by some method of pure luck and magic. :p:
    I wouldn't have any overall solution, unfortunately, because sadly armed forces around the world are never going to disband. This is why I shall never be PM :p:
    Haha you never know you could lead a revolution that disbands every military and terrorist organization in the world - although that could put me out of a future job (although I am only considering joining the US army not actually in it).
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    It's not necessary, but it would be nice if the soldiers had support for whatever they are doing. It was really demoralizing for the American, Aussie, and other troops who were in Vietnam and who didn't get any support. Plus when they came home some were spat on and called "baby killers."

    Some didn't care, but others were ostracized from society for quite some time because of this public opinion and stance.

    So I say support them, and even if you don't respect what they are doing, respect that they are out there and that they are serving our country nonetheless and doing a job that at times isn't easy at all.

    And also that they voluntarily signed up for it.
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    cpj1987, no offence, but for someone clearly so intelligent (with your 2:1 in TV Production), I find your comments/ beliefs incredibly naive, borderline ignorant. Indeed, there are good arguments for pacifism (and there're plenty of people in the forces who would like for us not to go to war, but they're willing to do it if need-be (which there IS, and always will be)), but you're not doing too well at converting anyone. Everything's going round in circles here, yet you still haven't responded to my previous question: how do we help those unable to help themself? Be an act of greater good, and prevent tyrants/ aggressors (and any other "immoral" people out there) from taking over, other than fighting them? You're so against war, and us going into it, yet you somehow believe that going over to Iraq/ Afghan and sitting round holding hands, hugging some trees, and asking said people nicely will prevent them from executing the atrocities they do? No chance.

    War is always a requirement to suppress these people (no matter if they attack us or not, as I've mentioned before we're committed to NATO). In war we need people who are capable of doing these bad things you say, and in war I'd be happy to be one of those people; think what you will of me for that. And as to the "immoral" killing, as was mentioned above, the Geneva Convention dictates how we are able to kill people, in the least inhumane manner possible; hence, we no longer have cluster bombs. I bet those which we are fighting against don't care too much for the Geneva Convention, however...

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    (Original post by djmarkmclachlan)
    cpj1987, no offence, but for someone clearly so intelligent (with your 2:1 in TV Production), I find your comments/ beliefs incredibly naive, borderline ignorant. Indeed, there are good arguments for pacifism (and there're plenty of people in the forces who would like for us not to go to war, but they're willing to do it if need-be (which there IS, and always will be)), but you're not doing too well at converting anyone. Everything's going round in circles here, yet you still haven't responded to my previous question: how do we help those unable to help themself? Be an act of greater good, and prevent tyrants/ aggressors (and any other "immoral" people out there) from taking over, other than fighting them? You're so against war, and us going into it, yet you somehow believe that going over to Iraq/ Afghan and sitting round holding hands, hugging some trees, and asking said people nicely will prevent them from executing the atrocities they do? No chance.

    War is always a requirement to suppress these people (no matter if they attack us or not, as I've mentioned before we're committed to NATO). In war we need people who are capable of doing these bad things you say, and in war I'd be happy to be one of those people; think what you will of me for that. And as to the "immoral" killing, as was mentioned above, the Geneva Convention dictates how we are able to kill people, in the least inhumane manner possible; hence, we no longer have cluster bombs. I bet those which we are fighting against don't care too much for the Geneva Convention, however...

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    Firstly, I'm not TRYING to convert anyone. Why would I? I'm simply stating my own, personal, point of view.

    I don't believe that sitting, holding hands will do anything, unfortunately, because there are armed forces and fighters all over the world, but that STILL doesn't mean I have to respect soldiers.

    As I've said before, the third bold comment is where the Nazi mindset seems to come in for me - a uniform and a 'commitment' make you suddenly believe that you're not responsible for your actions - 'I was under orders'...

    As for the fourth comment, thank you.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    As I've said before, the third bold comment is where the Nazi mindset seems to come in for me - a uniform and a 'commitment' make you suddenly believe that you're not responsible for your actions - 'I was under orders'...
    You obviously don't like the Nazis but you still refuse to say that we should have fought them....
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    (Original post by dn013)
    You obviously don't like the Nazis but you still refuse to say that we should have fought them....
    Exactly. I don't like them because they were killers, so why should I like other people who do the same?
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Exactly. I don't like them because they were killers, so why should I like other people who do the same?
    Because they were killers, soldiers are soldiers who abide by the rules of war - the Nazis did not.

    Please just admit that World War II was a just war, ie removing the Nazis was a good cause for warfare.
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    (Original post by dn013)
    Because they were killers, soldiers are soldiers who abide by the rules of war - the Nazis did not.

    Please just admit that World War II was a just war, ie removing the Nazis was a good cause for warfare.
    I don't believe there should BE 'rules of war' though. I don't believe killing is acceptable under ANY circumstance, and don't see why some 'rules' made by certain people should suddenly make killing ok.
    The Nazis too were following 'rules' - I'm not saying the two are comparable in terms of their level, but the outcome in both cases is 'killing under order'.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I don't believe there should BE 'rules of war' though. I don't believe killing is acceptable under ANY circumstance, and don't see why some 'rules' made by certain people should suddenly make killing ok.
    The Nazis too were following 'rules' - I'm not saying the two are comparable in terms of their level, but the outcome in both cases is 'killing under order'.
    One is murder the other is 'just' homicide - with the potential outcome of saving lives. For example if the US, Britain and Russia had not defeated Nazi Germany many, many more people would have died than the death toll of WW2. Therefore killing to save another life is surely morally acceptable?
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Firstly, I'm not TRYING to convert anyone. Why would I? I'm simply stating my own, personal, point of view.

    I don't believe that sitting, holding hands will do anything, unfortunately, because there are armed forces and fighters all over the world, but that STILL doesn't mean I have to respect soldiers.

    As I've said before, the third bold comment is where the Nazi mindset seems to come in for me - a uniform and a 'commitment' make you suddenly believe that you're not responsible for your actions - 'I was under orders'...

    As for the fourth comment, thank you.
    I'm struggling to see how you can hold it, you don't like wars, sure, but believing there's no requirement for them, as you've atleast indicated towards, is naive.

    See, this is what makes me sick about this country - I'm fighting, for all intents and purposes, for people like you SO you can disrespect me. I'm willing to give everything up for this country and it's people and it's way of life, and you're not willing to respect that. You're more than happy to sit back and suck up your right to free speech, but not willing to condone and respect those who give you it. It's ******* disgusting, that's my opinion.

    Responsible for my actions, indeed. Until we get to a state of peace like in the end of the Matrix, I feel that war will always be a necessary evil, and my taking part, though it may one day entail killing someone (though it's highly unlikely in my role), I'll be happy to do; for what I believe to be a greater good. I'm not willing to be one of the people who sit back and chat about it, I'm willing to do my part for the freedoms I have.

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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I don't believe there should BE 'rules of war' though. I don't believe killing is acceptable under ANY circumstance, and don't see why some 'rules' made by certain people should suddenly make killing ok.
    So if you knew and were able to protect yourself through self defense, martial arts or something like that you still would not fight to protect yourself and the ones you care about and love because you are a pacifist?

    Even the biggest pacifist at times has raised their fists to protect themselves, its human instinct.

    Death and Killing might not be neccesary, but in many cases the cause and the motive is.
 
 
 
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