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    (Original post by cashdogg666)
    yes that is what i was thinking. because people are so mixed and britain is so multi cultural there isnt a sense of national pride anymore.
    The US is a country of immigrants and we still respect our soldiers. But to be honest, I think that you definitely have anti-military civilians in the US - it is just that Americans tend to be more overt about their feelings. I get the feeling that many Britons immensely respect their soldiers - as they damn well should do!!- but when they see a soldier in the street they don't buy him a drink or food (as they do in Annapolis for Navy students) but they respect the guy silently. Therefore I think that it is more down to a difference in personalities between Americans and Britons than down to Britain being too multi-cultural (after all I bet many minorities are in the British army).
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    (Original post by dn013)
    The US is a country of immigrants and we still respect our soldiers. But to be honest, I think that you definitely have anti-military civilians in the US - it is just that Americans tend to be more overt about their feelings. I get the feeling that many Britons immensely respect their soldiers - as they damn well should do!!- but when they see a soldier in the street they don't buy him a drink or food (as they do in Annapolis for Navy students) but they respect the guy silently. Therefore I think that it is more down to a difference in personalities between Americans and Britons than down to Britain being too multi-cultural (after all I bet many minorities are in the British army).
    yes but what i mean is that those who dont actually feel british etc. those who join the army obviously do because they believe in britain.
    i wouldnt expect a pakistani for example to respect our sodiers just because they live here
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    (Original post by PAPAdawg)
    it makes me embarrassed to be from here.

    in america they get this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck3zw6NUF60

    and huge respect from the public. in this country we get a handful of people actually can be assed to go and stand on the side of the road for 10 minutes and a load of disrespectful idiots who couldnt give 2 *****. the americans are, imo, a far better nation because of this
    'cos they're hired killers?
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    I think most of the British public is for the soldiers but not the war, there is a distinct difference. The parades around the country a few months back showed this.
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    (Original post by cashdogg666)
    yes but what i mean is that those who dont actually feel british etc. those who join the army obviously do because they believe in britain.
    i wouldnt expect a pakistani for example to respect our sodiers just because they live here
    I agree with you, but I am just saying that I think those examples are only highlighted by the media because most Britons are more inconspicuous in their respect for soldiers - whereas protesters are more overt in their actions. I mean just looking at this thread it looks like most people here have a respect - hopefully a pretty deep one - for British soldiers despite there being a wide range of ethnicities on this thread. But maybe I am being too optimistic about the support for the British army because of my respect for them.
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    (Original post by dn013)
    I agree with you, but I am just saying that I think those examples are only highlighted by the media because most Britons are more inconspicuous in their respect for soldiers - whereas protesters are more overt in their actions. I mean just looking at this thread it looks like most people here have a respect - hopefully a pretty deep one - for British soldiers despite there being a wide range of ethnicities on this thread. But maybe I am being too optimistic about the support for the British army because of my respect for them.
    yeah true. people in this country only appear to speak out if they disagree with something. so yeah we dont actually see or hear from those who have respect in the media.
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    (Original post by la fille danse)
    I am American. I respect soldiers as much as I expect anyone else I don't know. I see no reason to extend any extra respect to someone because they have volunteered to kill or be killed.
    I agree, my dad was in the army and a few months ago during that 2 minute silence my parents lost track of time and some people came up and called us scum and having no respect, my dad politely and quietly spoke back saying he was in the forces and his way of showing respect was different, he honoured them every day in private and at home and didnt think the 2 minute silence cancelled out the other times nor does speaking(by accident) make our family scum.

    I feel the same, not just about soldiers but during say a charity event like Children in Need, I feel like its just a way for people to pay a little money to make them feel better about their own lives its not about the charity but themselves.

    A few months ago I was on another board and this woman started a topic saying her husband was in the forces and came back for a break and why didnt he get more pay from the forces, why didnt he and his friends get parades etc.

    I think people shouldnt be given parades for doing their job as thats what they are paid for except in extreme circumstances, just like when I see parents on news reports when their child has been killed something like Afghanistan saying "How could he of died, he shouldnt of been put in danger etc" well why have soldiers if there is no war?
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    (Original post by FiveFiveSix)
    Most of the British population support the Forces, it's just the minority that don't tend to be very vocal about it. I've had people spit at me, call me rather offensive names, and behave very rudely, but I've also had others thank me, shake my hand, wish me well or just happily chat away to me. You have to take the rough with the smooth, and ignore the ignorant throbbers. Heh, if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined!

    War is a terrible, nasty and horrible thing, but the alternative is worse. A very wise man said it far better than I could, see my sig for the exact quote.



    Err, no it's not. It's quite easy in fact!

    I wasn't saying I'm like that, just what I've picked up on
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    (Original post by General Ourumov)
    This is true but respect should be automatically given to them for dealing with tough situations and should never have to endure the ***** they get.
    Why should it automatically be given?
    I'm one of those who actively disrespects soldiers (not actively as in protesting against them!).
    The soldiers have chosen to do what they do, and they enlisted knowing that they may (and in fact probably would) be directly or indirectly involved in killing someone during their time in the army. I don't respect anyone willing to kill.
    They 'deal with tough situations' because they've chosen to. Luckily, none have been forced into that career - it's a decision they've made.

    Someone mentioned earlier that those who don't respect the armed forces aren't aware of all the good they do. Personally, I'm very aware of that, but don't agree that my saving the lives of five people gives me any right to go out and kill another. Good doesn't always outweigh bad.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I don't respect anyone willing to kill.
    What a naive mentality.

    I doubt you would be singing the same tune if a British solider stood between you and a foreign enemy.
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    (Original post by Forbidden Fruit)
    What a naive mentality.

    I doubt you would be singing the same tune if a British solider stood between you and a foreign enemy.
    Why does THAT make it ok to kill?
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Why does THAT make it ok to kill?
    So, you would rather he just agreed with your view and allowed your face to be pelted with bullets?
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    (Original post by Forbidden Fruit)
    So, you would rather he just agreed with your view and allowed your face to be pelted with bullets? Or perhaps allow you to be taken prisoner and eventually decapitated?
    I don't agree with killing at all. If someone else does, and kills me (though of course I'd run! :p: ) then at least I've still not killed, or had someone kill for me.
    I'm not saying my view's not a stupid one (or a selfish one), but I have very strong opinions of killing.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I don't agree with killing at all. If someone else does, and kills me (though of course I'd run! :p: ) then at least I've still not killed, or had someone kill for me.
    I'm not saying my view's not a stupid one (or a selfish one), but I have very strong opinions of killing.
    So, we should have allowed the Nazis to progress their holocaust and attempt at building a vast empire? God forbid, we should have actually killed Hitler and his associates. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by cashdogg666)
    yes that is what i was thinking. because people are so mixed and britain is so multi cultural there isnt a sense of national pride anymore.
    except 91% of the population are white British

    and a lot of the people who represent this country as proudly as anyone else in sport for one thing are ethnic minorities (black footballers most obviously) - so that really makes no sense.
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    (Original post by joshp1407)
    'cos they're hired killers?
    :rofl: You and poptopia should get together sometime. It could be the start of something beautiful

    (Original post by King Pieb)
    I wasn't saying I'm like that, just what I've picked up on
    I know chum, wasn't having a go, just saying!

    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I'm one of those who actively disrespects soldiers (not actively as in
    Well, good for you, little girl. Luckily for you, it doesn't matter what your personal opinions are, there are still people willing to give their all to protect you.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Most Americans are patriotic idiots, that's why. They'll cheer at anything if you put the stars and stripes on it.

    British don't do much better at avoiding total stupidity, but at least we're a tad more sceptical than the Americans.

    I don't see why I should be respecting troops. They signed up for their own hardships, they knew what they were getting themselves into.
    That was a sensible post until I read that last part. You live in such a bubble, its almost as if you rather be invaded than have to support British troops.
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    In america Patronism is seen as a great thing In Britain we see things how they are and call them that way. Its not the soldiers fault their fighting and unjust war but at the same time why should we celebrate the killing of those who have done nothing to us?
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    For what it's worth, the vast majority of this negative view towards the soldiers does seem to come from people <25.

    I don't know why, or even if that is accurate, it's just my observation of it.

    On TSR, it's very evident, because people like to have a shout and whinge behind their computer screens, and I'd imagine at school/college/uni you'd find more... But out in the 'real world' you don't tend to see the same attitude.
    lmao......ofcourse its very evident on TSR....TSR is a student forum....You cant use TSR as evidence that under 25's have the majority of negative views on soldiers.

    Anyway my view on this matter is....that although soldiers go out there and fight because their government tells them too (so in some way not their fault). But at the end of the day, they go to kill. For example in afghanistan. Most casualties are innocent civilians. So supporting "our troops" is like supporting the mass murder of people.
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    Erm, the job of a soldier is to murder human beings due a foreign government's political beliefs conflicting with their government's political beliefs. Sorry, what aspect of this behaviour are we supposed respect?
 
 
 
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