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  • View Poll Results: What is the right level of NET immigration for Britain?
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    7.94%
    100,000
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    50,000 (to stop the population reaching 70 million)
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    0 (one in, one out)
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    19.05%
    No immigration at all
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    I'm socially liberal on most issues, but i simply cannot see how the benefits outweigh the negatives in terms of immigration. There should be no net Immigration at all, all it does is destroy decades old communities. People wonder why some communities have become so fragmented and lost their 'community spirit'. Immigration is one of the main reasons for that. Emigration is a problem as well and i guess we should be looking at why so many of our citizens leave every year also.
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    I don't understand why anyone would want more immigrants. If current trends continue then we will have a population of 70 million in twenty years.

    We are only a small island and England is only behind Malta in terms of overpopulation in Europe.
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    We all know integration doesn't work. As a concept, it is fine.

    We may have many ethnic minorities within the UK but the actual levels of integration taken place is pitiful. It isn't integration when we have areas that are 99+% white (like my city) and other areas where all the ethnic minorities have congregated and completely changed the dynamics (for better or worse) of that city.

    Sounds more like segregation to me...
    Indeed. I saw a figure today stating that the dominant language of Aston is BENGALI (English second and Urdu a close third). :eek3:
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    We all know integration doesn't work. As a concept, it is fine.

    We may have many ethnic minorities within the UK but the actual levels of integration taken place is pitiful. It isn't integration when we have areas that are 99+% white (like my city) and other areas where all the ethnic minorities have congregated and completely changed the dynamics (for better or worse) of that city.

    Sounds more like segregation to me...
    The problem with this argument is that it doesn't identify what level of 'integration' should be expected of anyone in society. I've said before that rich people invariably don't 'integrate' with poor if by this we're talking about social life. The questions raised are thus - who is required to integrate, in what ways and to what degree? Of course first generation immigrants often don't speak the language well, sometimes not at all, and if they're getting on in years they're unlikely to master it; not that many Brit pensioners who have chosen to live in Spain bother to learn Spanish beyond a few essential words. Where second-generation immigrant are concerned the takeup of the native language is very high however. What else? Do you want immigrants to be knocking on your door every five minutes asking to be your friend? Seriously, what do you expect of an immigrant that you also expect of someone who lives several doors down from you that you've never met and are never likely to? Immigrants tend to group together because it's a practical defence mechanism in a new country, Brits do that who live abroad too. It doesn't help that British society has its fair share of racism and hostility to anyone with more than a tan and a broken accent.
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    I really don't know how people can seriously say they want to let as many people come into the country. I'm certainly not against immigration, it provides us with fantastic skilled people to contribute to British institutions such as the NHS and so forth. However, I'm really worried as to how people can't see that a country can get swamped if hundreds of thousands of people just poured into the country. Our big cities are packed enough as it is.
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    (Original post by Forbidden Fruit)
    So, you would be happy if millions or even billions of people flooded into Britain?
    im an immigrant myself, that explains my point of view. but to be honest, you british have a right to be annoyed - millions of people come here, do nothing, receive benefits even tho they secretely have a job and live in council flats.
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    (Original post by yourfaceisfunny)
    im an immigrant myself, that explains my point of view. but to be honest, you british have a right to be annoyed - millions of people come here, do nothing, receive benefits even tho they secretely have a job and live in council flats.
    Yes... But the immigrant is not to blame for that surely? It is the Government who gives away welfare so easily is it not?


    Heck! if the Pakistani Government garanteed me free health care, a nice comfortable place to live and a pile of cash every month i would shamelessly jump at the chance and be on the first plane to Islamabad!

    Can you really blame these people who take advantage? When the Government practically encourage it?

    Take away the welfare and immigration will fall. You will find that Immigrants who choose to come her will be immigrants who want to come here, who want to make a success of themselves and don't mind working hard for it.
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    I'm from Scotland, we need immigration. Just been down to Birmingham/London(shudders) and I can see why people down there are against immigration. However living in the North East of Scotland we need people to fill jobs.
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    (Original post by Moe Lester)
    An idiot who doesn't see the effects of uncontrolled migration.



    Or somebody just taking the piss.
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    People are loosing their jobs in the thousands, and we are entering a much greater depression then our leaders would have us believe :

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...n-one-picture/

    I'm not sure where or what all these jobs are that we need foreigners to fill right now...


    And by observing our current society these two:

    Share common British values and understand the British political system and basic contemporary knowledge of the UK
    Renounce any allegiance to foreign nations and swear loyalty to the British crown
    Have certainly not been happening.

    As Roger Scruton points out, the second above point is impossible within the space of a generation while discussing the concept of Britishness:

    ...It is true that there was a British Empire, that the English learned to describe themselves as Britons, and that the British and Britishness became the common currency of sovereign claims. But still, there was never a British nation. The Scots continued to describe themselves as Scots; the Irish as Irish - or, if they rejected the Republic, as 'Unionists', meaning adherents to the strange legal entity described in their passports. The Welsh, who provided us with our most determinedly English Kings, the Tudors, were still, in their own eyes, Welsh. The English remained English, and in their hearts it was England that secured their loyalty, not Scotland, Ireland or Wales. Only one group of Her Majesty's subjects saw itself as British - namely, those immigrants from the former Empire who seized on the idea of British nationality as a means of having no real nationality at all, certainly no nationality that would conflict with ethnic or religious loyalties, forged far away and years before.
    (From England an Elegy)

    It is also interesting here to note Roger Scruton's remark on Gordon Brown's distortion of "British Values"

    Prime Minister Gordon Brown has therefore made a point of extolling a new kind of national loyalty, one which is compatible with the disappearance of England. He reminds us of the “core values” of Britishness, which include freedom, toleration, compassion, social responsibility, and other qualities that can be read in ways favorable to the socialist state. But he has little time for the core values of Englishness: the stiff upper lip, the well-spoken accent, the ethic of fair play, and the code of the gentleman. These he is happy to denigrate as imperial hangovers and symbols of a privileged caste.
    http://spectator.org/archives/2008/1...ing-of-england
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    And by observing our current society these two:





    Have certainly not been happening.
    Neither have the language "requirements" by the looks of things.

    Alan Johnson thinks we need more. :lolwut:

    P.S. I've never realised until now how stupid Andrew Marr's car looks
 
 
 
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