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    (Original post by ScotlandStandUp)
    Without the IRA there would be no Irish Republic, you must be referring to the PIRA or the RIRA and no most Irishmen and women support them and would like to one day see a united Ireland, however the government is a completely different thing and do you honestly believe they'd tell everyone they support the PIRA or RIRA? Don't be daft.
    Lol you know the history of Ireland? The IRA fought a civil war with the government of the Irish Republic. The Irish Republic supports the moderate parties in the north like the SDLP. Only the fundamentalists up north vote for Sinn Fein
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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    I thought Libya sold weapons to the IRA because it would piss off Britain. Maybe the IRA agreed to bomb the Israeli embassy as a swap for the weaponry.
    Well of course they would want to piss of Britain and aswell as helping them in their struggle they pissed off their opposition.

    I think that it looks very possible that there was a deal involved, You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours sort of thing.

    A lot of Irish-Americans also donated weapons to the PIRA and the American government also donated huge amounts of money to Sinn Fein, which was of course legal, however everyone knew that the money was going straight to the frontline.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    First of all, learn to spell.

    And when a honest man campaigns against politiical violence he suddenly becomes a "traitor"? You know that the Irish Republic is against the IRA as well, yes?

    You disgust me.
    i disgust you.....haha right.....don't believe all you read in books especially when that book is a man writing about his own activities and glorifying himself making himself out to be some sort of a hero....


    he turned against the southern command of the ra because of 2 things, money and personal issues he had with men within the leadership....when i man puts his former friends and comrades behind bars because of this...i reserve my right to call him a ******* and a traitor...
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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    Lol you know the history of Ireland? The IRA fought a civil war with the government of the Irish Republic. The Irish Republic supports the moderate parties in the north like the SDLP. Only the fundamentalists up north vote for Sinn Fein
    Exactly. It's a fact that SF never got any significant electoral support until the IRA ceasefire/they lost the stigma of being attached to the violent methods of the IRA.
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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    Lol you know the history of Ireland? The IRA fought a civil war with the government of the Irish Republic. The Irish Republic supports the moderate parties in the north like the SDLP. Only the fundamentalists up north vote for Sinn Fein
    The IRA fought against the British Army, there was no Irish Republic.

    "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), was an insurrection staged in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans with the aims of ending British rule in Ireland and establishing an Irish Republic. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798."

    As I said the government aren't going to tell everyone they support the RIRA or PIRA.
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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    Only the fundamentalists up north vote for Sinn Fein
    nonsense, is this why SF are by far and away the biggest nationalist/republican party in the north....hundreds of thousands of fundamentalists....? SF have become 'mainstream' as they say....
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    (Original post by ScotlandStandUp)
    The IRA fought against the British Army, there was no Irish Republic.

    "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), was an insurrection staged in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans with the aims of ending British rule in Ireland and establishing an Irish Republic. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798."

    As I said the government aren't going to tell everyone they support the RIRA or PIRA.
    Because, at least when Heath was Prime Minister and favourable to the idea of a United Ireland, they didn't.
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    (Original post by impervious)
    Up the provos! Time for peace to go.

    In all honesty i support their past but nowadays times are a changing. I do not believe that violence could free northern ireland. Britian is hanging on to the remains of its crumbled empire too strongly.
    basically, this is my view as well....
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    (Original post by roryq)
    sorry bateman, i was laughing at the OP in the post you asked about.... as i thought he had put in middle east by error, he later explained this...:yes:
    Haha, the more I read it the more stupid it looks.
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    (Original post by Forbidden Fruit)
    Ireland and NI should both be regions within the United Kingdom.

    Nevermind a United Ireland, it should be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
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    (Original post by ScotlandStandUp)
    The IRA fought against the British Army, there was no Irish Republic.

    "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), was an insurrection staged in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans with the aims of ending British rule in Ireland and establishing an Irish Republic. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798."

    As I said the government aren't going to tell everyone they support the RIRA or PIRA.
    AFTER the Easter Rising, when the IRA had defeated the British in the South, the IRA fought against the government of the newly independent Republic. The new government of the republic accepted a 26 county republic. The IRA believes the only true Republic is with 32 counties
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    (Original post by theciz)
    Because, at least when Heath was Prime Minister and favourable to the idea of a United Ireland, they didn't.
    Who's "they", ask any Irishman if he'd like to see a united Ireland like there once was and he'll say yes, unless he's a protestant.
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    (Original post by roryq)
    nonsense, is this why SF are by far and away the biggest nationalist/republican party in the north....hundreds of thousands of fundamentalists....? SF have become 'mainstream' as they say....
    True my point was that SF doesn't get many votes down south even though the contest elections there
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    (Original post by ScotlandStandUp)
    Without the IRA there would be no Irish Republic, you must be referring to the PIRA or the RIRA and no most Irishmen and women support them and would like to one day see a united Ireland, however the government is a completely different thing and do you honestly believe they'd tell everyone they support the PIRA or RIRA? Don't be daft.
    The majority of Irish support the PIRA? That is in line with slander.

    As a Scot (even though you are likely a Celtic fan :rolleyes: ), what authority do you have to say such a thing about Ireland?
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    (Original post by ScotlandStandUp)
    The IRA fought against the British Army, there was no Irish Republic.

    "The Easter Rising (Irish: Éirí Amach na Cásca), was an insurrection staged in Ireland during Easter Week, 1916. The Rising was mounted by Irish republicans with the aims of ending British rule in Ireland and establishing an Irish Republic. It was the most significant uprising in Ireland since the rebellion of 1798."

    As I said the government aren't going to tell everyone they support the RIRA or PIRA.
    Yes, and the Irish Free State fought a Civil War against the IRA over whether to accept the Anglo Irish treaty. The free state won and what became the Irish Republic was formed. After the war, Fianna Fail was formed to oppose Sinn Fein and the IRA and this led most of the anti-treaty IRA to support de Valera and Fianna Fail rather than the IRA. It carried on as a Socialist organisation to oppose the fascist blueshirts (now Fine Gail) and both were banned in the 1940s.
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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    True my point was that SF doesn't get many votes down south even though the contest elections there
    aye thats true fair enough....but that is basically because their policies are ****....up north they always have the old 'republican,united ireland' line to fall back on to get their votes this applies to a much lesser extent down south...

    but as i experienced their policies can be ********......hence they lost my vote a few days ago....
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    (Original post by roryq)
    i wasn't trying to 'out do some of the violent things they done' i was simply pointing out that due to one event you cannot make such an assumption that you did....

    and, no support?


    are you serious mate, in 1981 the IRA stood their first ever candidate for an election to a British Parliament....his name was Bobby Sands, he was dying in Long Kesh....at the first time of asking he took a seat previously held by a unionist and became a MP.

    Sinn Fein then went down the 'armalite and ballot box' route and ever since then have got hundreds of thousands of votes in every election....in the last european election, the first ever republican to top the poll i n a vote in NI was SF's Bairbre de Brun with over 160,000 votes despite a record low turnout....

    the PIRA always could rely on hundreds of thousands of supporters....to say otherwise shows your ignorance of the situation...

    why did the IRA have to go to such horrific measures?....they were involved in a war to free the 6 counties from illegal British occupation the best way to go about this was to fight fire with fire.....this has changed, now the best way is sitting at the negotiating table, that is why you see SF in power in NI....as one leading IRA member said, 1 bomb on the British mainland will catch the attention of 70 in Belfast or Derry, that is why Birmingham/Manchester/London etc were targeted...that is why they still are considered legitimate targets for splinter groups - the RIRA/CIRA.....
    It's not a majority that wants a united Ireland though is it? Or it would have happened by now.



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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    AFTER the Easter Rising, when the IRA had defeated the British in the South, the IRA fought against the government of the newly independent Republic. The new government of the republic accepted a 26 county republic. The IRA believes the only true Republic is with 32 counties
    A lot of people who fought against the IRA in the Irish civil war were originally from the IRA.
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    It wasn't a newly independent republic, it was a 'free state'. The republic wasn't achieved until 1949.

    Some of you clueless eejits need to go read a history book.

    EDIT: That was to someone way up above. Thread's moving too fast.
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    (Original post by ScotlandStandUp)
    Who's "they", ask any Irishman if he'd like to see a united Ireland like there once was and he'll say yes, unless he's a protestant.
    I was referring to the Irish government, as that was the part of your quote I highlighted. The information only came out recently because of a 30 year freedom of information rule (not too sure on the specifics of it, but it is official). Granted, it was because the idea of controlling 1970s Northern Ireland with an Irish army only 12000 strong scared them, but it was true nonetheless.

    And your generalisation is amusing to say the least; I'm not a Protestant and I'm not generally favourable to the idea of a United Ireland.
 
 
 
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