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    Quite a specialist question really. Ill explain the situation

    Im at Cambridge at the moment in between my second and third years and want to transfer to Oxford for my clinical years.

    In my first two years I got a First, both in the top 10% of the year and passed all the exams first time.

    Now, some people, a while back told me that this is all you really need to get a place at Oxford for clinicals if you're a Cambridge transfer but...then somebody came along and told me that "loads" of people have been getting rejected with two Firsts and this leaves me with a bit of a problem, because I just don't know what is needed to get a place.

    In terms of aspects around my academics, I have a few roles of responsibility in various societies (nothing major), I will have 2 weeks of clinical experience in a general medicine ward, I have two abstracts in a clincal research journal (Diabetes UK) and a case report that is pending. I feel ive done everything that I could do really.

    What I wanted to know is, is there any thing in particular that Oxford look for on the clinical application form? What more can I do?

    What college should I apply to maximise my chances? My guess is that the colleges with large intakes mean better chances for me? ie. Brasenose?

    Im also thinking that applying to one good and one not-so-good college for my first choice and backup would be useful? If so, could anyone name a few "not-so-good" colleges for Medicine?

    Thanks very much for your help,

    Vazzyb
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    How can you get a 'first'?

    In order for me to be guaranteed to stay at Oxford all i need is a single merit in any exam, apparently (possible that's wrong but that is what i heard). Not exactly 'top 10%, abstracts in journals etc' - they must really have something against cambridge if they reject people like that.
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    Its the same thing as getting a merit, over 70% in the total from all the exams. Its called a first everywhere lol
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    (Original post by Vazzyb)
    Its the same thing as getting a merit, over 70% in the total from all the exams. Its called a first everywhere lol
    Except here, it would seem (I thought medical exams everywhere worked differently but maybe not). You can get a 'merit' in each of the 6 exams and getting just a single one is (i think) enough to secure our clinical place.
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    (Original post by Athena)

    Oxford have more preclinical than clinical places. So to take someone from Cambridge, they have to reject someone already at Oxford and prevent them from staying on. Including a friend who got 68% in Finals. Given the choice between someone you've taught for three years, and someone from another university, that incoming person needs to be really pretty good to get a place. It's well known that only the top Cambridge clinical applicants come to Oxford.

    (Having stayed with Huw Davies' housemates as they were about to start clinical school, and from watching a big group of medic friends go through clinical school applications, and in three cases be rejected - I feel like I now know a lot about the process :p:)
    Perhaps - i really don't know that much tbh :o: . I do know though that you are guaranteed to get in somewhere, so therefore if you get rejected from all of your choices then you miraculously end up where you took your pre-clinical (which is usually a candidates first choice). It follows that if one were to, say, deliberately get a criminal record and guarantee rejection from all of their clinical choices, they could ensure they stay put .
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    (Original post by Athena)
    If you got a criminal record, would you even be accpeted for clinical school full stop? Depending on the offence, it could breach your fitness for practice requirements. And it's pretty horrible to know that you were so bad that Oxford didn't want you, nor did any of the other medical schools, and Oxford only took you as a last resort, because they had no choice? It also screws up your chances of getting good accommodation, if your college makes you live out, as the other medics will have already found houses and housemates, knowing quite a while before the bouncebacks that they're staying in Oxford.
    Oh yeah, its a bit of a balancing act - apparently 'a fray' is a good safe choice that will get you rejected but not kicked out :p: .

    I think Merton guarantees accommodation... :yes: .

    This arises from a person that got a number of re-takes and was, in fact, rejected by them all and ended up back here! I thought i'd be taking that route for a while, but alas i got average results which may, ironically, end up in me being sent to London... .
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    The stereotype is (and it's not altogether inaccurate) that the Cambridge people who come over are much clever than the average Oxford person and dominate all the prizes etc. The standard is set higher for people switching than for people staying put. You sound pretty high-performing though so I wouldn't get excessively worked up - if you want to come to Oxford, go for it!

    It's getting a bit too long since my interviews for me to remember them well - the main part was discussing my research project in terms understandable to a general audience.

    The notion of tanking your application on purpose in order to stay put is one that always gets bandied around - getting a criminal record would not be the way to do it though (you could get kicked out)! I suspect that you would come to clinical school already carrying some black marks if you did this.

    It does mess with your ability to get accommodation as most people sort it out really early on, so you end up living in a tiny box room in a house intended for only 3 people...

    Most people who can live out for clinicals - college accommodation is frequently very expensive when you have to be in Oxford for practically the entire year.

    College choice shouldn't have much of an effect on your application - clinical school interviews are all centralised so they'll pick the people they want, then take college preference into account as much as possible (but assigning people to where the spaces are if necessary).

    PS Athena our new house is shiny and you should come and see it if you're in Oxford at any point.
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    Perhaps - i really don't know that much tbh :o: . I do know though that you are guaranteed to get in somewhere, so therefore if you get rejected from all of your choices then you miraculously end up where you took your pre-clinical (which is usually a candidates first choice). It follows that if one were to, say, deliberately get a criminal record and guarantee rejection from all of their clinical choices, they could ensure they stay put .
    Nope, the guarantee of a place is subject to a) you passing everything and b) passing the fitness to practice (but this is the case for anyone studying medicine)
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    surely finals are after the process is over?
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    (Original post by Vazzyb)
    surely finals are after the process is over?
    Yes, your clinical school place is conditional on passing finals (literally, just a plain pass) and passing the clinical anatomy course.
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    Ah ok, thanks very much everyone for your replies. I wasn't aware than the admissions process is centralised; that makes things a whole lot easier!

    I will definetly be putting in the application.
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    (Original post by Vazzyb)
    Ah ok, thanks very much everyone for your replies. I wasn't aware than the admissions process is centralised; that makes things a whole lot easier!

    I will definetly be putting in the application.
    See you in a year and a bit then, hopefully. I could end up teaching you!
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    if you end up at brasenose we may finally meet. i remember your online persona from years ago, when we were applying. you were on here and new media medicine, and had the stick man avatar (and an insanely high BMAT).
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    if you end up at brasenose we may finally meet. i remember your online persona from years ago, when we were applying. you were on here and new media medicine, and had the stick man avatar (and an insanely high BMAT).
    haha sure look forward to it
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    (Original post by Vazzyb)
    haha sure look forward to it
    If it's alright to ask... why the desire to switch?
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    (Original post by Huw Davies)
    The stereotype is (and it's not altogether inaccurate) that the Cambridge people who come over are much clever than the average Oxford person and dominate all the prizes etc.
    Didn't particularly seem to hold true for my year though.


    The way it worked in my year a bit of strategy/luck would help in getting first choice college & it was worth asking any 'insiders' at a desired college whether: their preclinical students are guaranteed a clinical place at that college if they get back into the school & if all of the current preclinicals planned to reapply.
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    any insiders? lol
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    (Original post by j_w)
    If it's alright to ask... why the desire to switch?
    although i love my college and course, I dont like Cambridge as a "city", I don't want to move to London because its expensive and I have quite a few friends at Oxford + others trying to go there.
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    Offers from mine switched to preclinical only recently-ish.

    Anecodotally everyone puts it down 1st choice if they want to stay at Oxford. It is an excellent choice for clinicals.

    But I'd find it a challenge to name the 2nd years, let alone know where they're applying for clinicals. :dontknow:
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    I'm starting at the Oxford Clinical School in approx. 4 weeks, having applied from UCL. I'm feeling exceptionally unworthy/stupid at present. I literally cannot remember ANYTHING from the last 3 years of study - should I revise before i start?

    If you want any advice about the application procedure, you're more than welcome to PM me. It was v recent for me, so I remember quite a lot about the process/interview.

    I really don't think I'm very clever AT ALL! (well obv. im not stupid, coz im studying medicine but....) I feel like I slipped thru the cracks to get in. On the open day they said to the cam people that its hard to get in w/o 2 1sts but that doesn't mean you WILL get in if you do have 2 1sts.
 
 
 
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