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    Value for money has been poor IMO. The NHS and education has doubled in real terms, yet there are still many problems within these services. There are still too many poor schools as Alan Milburn highlights and the NHS, whilst improving all the while, still isn't top notch compared to many other european countries.

    The gap between rich and poor has increased, something which New Labour have failed on. However a lot of welcome steps have been made to help the genuine poor. A goal to eradicate child poverty was great and 600,000 lifted out has been good, depsite missing their targets. Sure Start has been good, as to has further education projects. Many students are going to university for the first time in their families history and many students are doing A levels with the support of EMA. The elderly have had a lot things done to help them such as free TV licence's, free eye care, free bus passes etc. A million lifted out of relative poverty is obviously a good thing.

    Crime has fallen a lot since 1997, with crime down by around 40%, including violent crime. However, knife crime is a specific problen, which needs to be be tackled.

    Iraq was a disaster and a huge waste of money. Big fallen point for Labour. Tution fees were also a big let down. And some of the attempted terrorism laws such as 90 days (thankfully beaten) were a disgrace to civil liberties. A tad too much CCTV as well. However, overseas aid has increased vastly and helped many of the world very poorest.

    Unemployment has been for the main part low, as too has inflation. Perhaps not the direct achievement of New Labour, but they did well to maintain it. The recession was a big blow to Gordon's ego and makes the economic front of New Labour's project mixed.

    Equality has been a big plus. Civil partnerships and many equality legislation, has made a more fairer Britain. Although there has been a bit too much immigration. The minimuim wage was by far IMO, Labour's best achievement. The smoking ban was another progressive plus.

    All in all the New Labour project has been fairly good but flawed IMO.

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    (Original post by Just Another Student)
    Value for money has been poor IMO. The NHS and education has doubled in real terms, yet there are still many problems within these services. There are still too many poor schools as Alan Milburn highlights and the NHS, whilst improving all the while, still isn't top notch compared to many other european countries.
    I agree that servises are poor compared to how much funding they get, if we must have extensive public spending in these areas, and most people demand this - it must be effecient and not waste peoples money.

    The gap between rich and poor has increased, something which New Labour have failed on. However a lot of welcome steps have been made to help the genuine poor. A goal to eradicate child poverty was great and 600,000 lifted out has been good, depsite missing their targets. Sure Start has been good, as to has further education projects. Many students are going to university for the first time in their families history and many students are doing A levels with the support of EMA. The elderly have had a lot things done to help them such as free TV licence's, free eye care, free bus passes etc. A million lifted out of relative poverty is obviously a good thing.
    I actually think so many people going on to further education is a problem. There are so many jobs these days that require a degree which shouldn't do - and it just means people are three years older by the time they're working which just makes them poorer for longer. I want a return to being able to get a respected and high paid job without actually going to university.

    This does not mean I want only the rich to attend university - but I want the state to be very selective about who it gives grants to, and there should be less emphasis on every single person in the country belonging at university.

    Crime has fallen a lot since 1997, with crime down by around 40%, including violent crime. However, knife crime is a specific problen, which needs to be be tackled.
    I don't trust crime rate statistics, there is far too much room for error. Doing sociology at A2 really opened my mind to that concept.

    Iraq was a disaster and a huge waste of money. Big fallen point for Labour. Tution fees were also a big let down. And some of the attempted terrorism laws such as 90 days (thankfully beaten) were a disgrace to civil liberties. A tad too much CCTV as well. However, overseas aid has increased vastly and helped many of the world very poorest.
    I agree that Iraq was a disaster which loses labour a couple of points for me. I also think 42 days, ID cards, cannabis being class B etc shows a disrespect for civil liberties that is not tolerable.

    I think you're naive to think that overseas aid is something to deem as positive regarding labour. If they were serious about helping Africa for example they would embrace free trade rather than block African produce out with tariffs. If you actually listen to what African politicians are saying, its that they need free trade instead of just sheer money which firstly causes inflation in their countries and secondly encourages corrupt dictators (they're keen to get their hands on the money and spend it only on themselves - aid to Zimbabwe buys Mugabe a palace and helps the western world sleep at night. Well here's one person who isn't sleeping.)

    Unemployment has been for the main part low, as too has inflation. Perhaps not the direct achievement of New Labour, but they did well to maintain it. The recession was a big blow to Gordon's ego and makes the economic front of New Labour's project mixed.
    I predict that inflation is about to go up, unemployment could be so much better if we cut back on benefits and also business regulations/taxes so more business could enter the market and people currently on welfare could work for them - and try to compete fairly against huge corporations that harm our country, who new labour are currently protecting (maybe because they accept donations from them? Hmmmm.)

    Equality has been a big plus. Civil partnerships and many equality legislation, has made a more fairer Britain. Although there has been a bit too much immigration. The minimuim wage was by far IMO, Labour's best achievement. The smoking ban was another progressive plus.
    I approve of civil partnerships and all that, but still feel the lib dems would absolutely destroy labour in this kind of field. Labour are nothing like as liberal as the lib dems are.

    I also oppose the smoking ban, I don't believe the state has the authority to stop people smoking, that goes against civil liberties for me. And very controversially I actually think that minimum wage laws might do more harm than good for society, as possibly those who need to work the most can't because employers don't deem them as skilled enough to deserve minimum wages. Again it's the government dictating to people how they should run their lives, nannying them.

    As for immigration, I actually approve of it and think it benefits society.
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    The thing is, do they know what their positive messages are?

    http://www.labourlist.org/cant-win-e...essage-dewison
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    I found the following comment on the above-link interesting:

    Bill, there are two horns to the Labour dilemma as I see it.

    1. Labour have, since the death of John Smith, been ruled by amoral men with a Nietzschian 'Will to Power' attitude. This has, increasingly, and especially since the Iraq War, finally caught up with the party big time. What people see when they look at Labour is rather like John Major's Tories in the 1990s - a party that is sleazy, amoral, contemptuous of the electorate and more concerned with staying in power than anything else.

    Quite frankly Labour could say that night followed day and most of us would walk outside just to be sure. They are simply not believed, and even when they are people think you are doing things for the wrong motives.

    Your not going to get any change with a man as arrogant, petty, factional, vindictive and dishonest as Gordon Brown in charge, so don't bother. The first step for Labour is to purge everything in its high command who have been tainted by the mendacity of the Blair / Brown regime and elect someone who is honest and straight talking. I think to be honest that matters much more than where their political position lies on the socialist spectrum. The electorate feel that Labour are taking the p*ss, to be perfectly blunt.

    2. The second problem you've got is something that must Labourites simply dont't like to talk about - we see preciously little recognition of it on Labour List - and that your effectively two parties appealing to two entirely different constituencies. Your Old Labour vote is patriotic, socially and culturally conservative, economically socialist. Your New Labour wing is internationalist, socially liberal, multicultural and economically capitalist.

    Its a complete and total split. New Labour's numbers are few but they wield a greta deal of influence and power in Metropolitan circles. Old Labour's numbers are large but wield a great deal of power only at election time, and it seems that when elections roll around more and more of your vote is migrating to the BNP, the Greens or even UKIP. Will they ever return once gone? I dont think they will.

    I remember back in the early 1980s it was prophesised that Labour would become a dinosaur party, entrenched in a few run down heart land areas and permanently out of power. That proved wrong at the time, but this time around it may well be so.
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    7/10. Knock off 3 points for 1) Iraq 2) obsession with Bankers 3) Authoritarian aspects
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    (Original post by mfm89)
    7/10. Knock off 3 points for 1) Iraq 2) obsession with Bankers 3) Authoritarian aspects
    I would agree entirely. Only change 2 to obsession with bankers/city/wealth in general. Other than that, I think the New Labour project has had an overall positive effect on Britain.
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    Mass Immigration -1
    No referendum on the EU -1
    Destruction of traditional British liberties -1
    Expansion of the Welfare State -1
    Political correctness -1
    Handling of the recession -1
    The "Equality" legislation of Harriet Harmen -1
    The Phony Tony Blair -1
    Maltreatment of British Soldiers -1

    2/10 Essentially utter ****.
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    I'd say 7/10. They have good points including the minimum wage, gay rights, devolution of power to Scotland and Wales, record investment in education and the NHS, more poeple getting into further education, equality legislation like age discrimination, and some help for the elderly.

    However the war in Iraq was a disaster, 1/3 of children are still in poverty, pensioners still die of cold in winter, social mobility and the gap between the rich and poor remains unacceptable and Labour's move to the right (it's more right wing economically than the conservatives under Macmillan and Heath in my opinion) and away from it's working class routes has left a gap for almost 1million people to feel ignored enough that they vote for a racist party.

    Actually after reading that, I wish I'd voted lower, 12 years of missed opportunity.
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    (Original post by Just Another Student)
    Value for money has been poor IMO. The NHS and education has doubled in real terms, yet there are still many problems within these services. There are still too many poor schools as Alan Milburn highlights and the NHS, whilst improving all the while, still isn't top notch compared to many other european countries.

    The gap between rich and poor has increased, something which New Labour have failed on. However a lot of welcome steps have been made to help the genuine poor. A goal to eradicate child poverty was great and 600,000 lifted out has been good, depsite missing their targets. Sure Start has been good, as to has further education projects. Many students are going to university for the first time in their families history and many students are doing A levels with the support of EMA. The elderly have had a lot things done to help them such as free TV licence's, free eye care, free bus passes etc. A million lifted out of relative poverty is obviously a good thing.

    Crime has fallen a lot since 1997, with crime down by around 40%, including violent crime. However, knife crime is a specific problen, which needs to be be tackled.

    Iraq was a disaster and a huge waste of money. Big fallen point for Labour. Tution fees were also a big let down. And some of the attempted terrorism laws such as 90 days (thankfully beaten) were a disgrace to civil liberties. A tad too much CCTV as well. However, overseas aid has increased vastly and helped many of the world very poorest.

    Unemployment has been for the main part low, as too has inflation. Perhaps not the direct achievement of New Labour, but they did well to maintain it. The recession was a big blow to Gordon's ego and makes the economic front of New Labour's project mixed.

    Equality has been a big plus. Civil partnerships and many equality legislation, has made a more fairer Britain. Although there has been a bit too much immigration. The minimuim wage was by far IMO, Labour's best achievement. The smoking ban was another progressive plus.

    All in all the New Labour project has been fairly good but flawed IMO.

    6/10
    Actually a brilliant summary, i pretty much agree with every word, i reckon 6 is a tad generous though for all its bad points.
 
 
 
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