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    (Original post by *Sparkle*)
    Why is everyone getting so arsey about the OP's post?? It's not very nice not being able to buy stuff from your corner shop because you don't know polish and have no idea what you're buying, its not nice to be abused at work because you don't understand punjabi, greater london isn't a nice place to live anymore and it doesn't make me a racist to admit it.
    :lolwut: What lol? If you have no idea what you are buying then frankly you are either at a shop that specialises in Polish products, or you are an imbecile. That's like me complaining at an Italian deli that i do not know what i am buying "coz itz in Italianz ruytingz innit".

    Of course it doesn't make you racist it's your opinion, personally i think Greater London is an amazing place to live in. It's never boring, and there will always be a new person to meet, new music to listen to or new food to taste, that is what i really love about living here, you can complain about crime and gangs and blame it on multiculturalism all you want but then why are there young white kids joining gangs and killing each other for no other reason than hate in Liverpool, is that because of multiculturalism?

    Also why would you get abused for not speaking punjab that is discrimination and you can by law do something about it. It irks me when people attack those who do not speak English so well for destroying our culture and hating the UK and our language(Note that i said "speak so well"), i find the language barrier for myself will often end in a laugh or a smile while we wave our hands around trying to understand each other. Those who get annoyed and arrogantly shout or complain are the same type of people who go abroad and become annoyed that not everyone speaks English in Spain.
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    I can't believe some people think it's unreasonable to expect immigrants to speak English and to at least become involved in British life. The segregated ghetto communities encourage this behaviour as they negate the need for speaking English if you can just speak your mother tongue all the time.

    I say this wanting to move abroad after I graduate, if not permanently at least for a couple of years. This is because I want to learn the language and to experience the different way of life. Why would I want to move away and then try and live like I do in England. It seems pointless.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Please keep anonymous.

    Living in London is really turning me into a racist. I'm white, and I live in a predominantly black area, and I often feel unsafe. I feel nervous when I travel anywhere as I'm often the only white person, and even my white friends have started saying how they feel uncomfortable on the bus being the only white person.

    I also get annoyed when everyone around me is speaking a different language, or with a really strong accent. I feel like I'm being stopped from going into places because being white and English means I don't belong. It angers me when I find someone working somewhere who speaks little English, when so many young people are jobless yet again. I find it extremely unnerving, and feel that these people should make more of an effort to take on the English language and traditions when they move here.

    I get fed up with the tourists in London and how expensive everything in London is because of them. I get annoyed when there's always someone who pushes in front of you because they don't understand the concept of queueing. I get anxious when I walk past a group of people in hoodies (regardless of race or gender) because they've brought over an American 'gangsta' attitude, and this is particularly prominent in many parts of south and east London.

    What happened to the polite England, where 'sorry' was the most said word? Where are peoples manners? What should we do with people who say 'England is crap, X is so much better!'? Should they have the right to stay here?

    This isn't a question of race, so much, but I think people should make more of an effort to adopt the English ways when they move here. I respect that people want to carry on their own culture, but going out of your way to promote it is causing societal segregation.

    Am I in the wrong for feeling like this? I feel that if the situation were reversed, and I were abroad and emphasising my English ways I would be heavily frowned upon, and don't understand why it's seen as alright to carry on this way.
    That's not racism.
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    (Original post by FinalFan3)
    I can't believe some people think it's unreasonable to expect immigrants to speak English and to at least become involved in British life. The segregated ghetto communities encourage this behaviour as they negate the need for speaking English if you can just speak your mother tongue all the time.

    I say this wanting to move abroad after I graduate, if not permanently at least for a couple of years. This is because I want to learn the language and to experience the different way of life. Why would I want to move away and then try and live like I do in England. It seems pointless.

    TRUE!

    I also want to live in another country for a while, most likely France since I am continuing to learn the French language. But, I’d do this only because I’d feel comfortable having done my bit to integrate myself into their society. What annoys me about so many of these ex-pats who jet off to live in Spain or wherever is that they are often too bone-idle to learn the native language and are rude enough to expect the locals to manage and compensate for them. Yet also it's most often the same kind of people (Daily Mail readers, right-wing bigots and the like) who show xenophobic tendencies and are usually the ones who oppose things like immigration for all the wrong reasons, and complain if someone can't speak English. Some people genuinely have difficulty with any language, but this is royally taking the piss and gives those people, and British people in general, a bad name. We’re not quite as bad as the Americans, but I would personally feel guilty going to a country where I don’t speak the native language, even if it’s just for a holiday. It is for the same reasons why I find it rude for people to not at least try to speak English here, and Spanish in Spain... etc...
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    (Original post by Moe Lester)
    Fair enough, it says a lot about TSR and modern day Britain when somebody feels the need to go Anonymous to post legitimate concerns and feelings like this.
    Completely agree with this. However, it's not all about foreigners who don't bother learning the language/culture of our country...chavs are far worse imo *shudders*:fight: and most in my area are thoroughly British...and they may challenge me to a :fight: but it would probs turn into a :gfight: and people would start chanting :jerry:
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Please keep anonymous.

    Living in London is really turning me into a racist. I'm white, and I live in a predominantly black area, and I often feel unsafe. I feel nervous when I travel anywhere as I'm often the only white person, and even my white friends have started saying how they feel uncomfortable on the bus being the only white person.

    I also get annoyed when everyone around me is speaking a different language, or with a really strong accent. I feel like I'm being stopped from going into places because being white and English means I don't belong. It angers me when I find someone working somewhere who speaks little English, when so many young people are jobless yet again. I find it extremely unnerving, and feel that these people should make more of an effort to take on the English language and traditions when they move here.

    I get fed up with the tourists in London and how expensive everything in London is because of them. I get annoyed when there's always someone who pushes in front of you because they don't understand the concept of queueing. I get anxious when I walk past a group of people in hoodies (regardless of race or gender) because they've brought over an American 'gangsta' attitude, and this is particularly prominent in many parts of south and east London.

    What happened to the polite England, where 'sorry' was the most said word? Where are peoples manners? What should we do with people who say 'England is crap, X is so much better!'? Should they have the right to stay here?

    This isn't a question of race, so much, but I think people should make more of an effort to adopt the English ways when they move here. I respect that people want to carry on their own culture, but going out of your way to promote it is causing societal segregation.

    Am I in the wrong for feeling like this? I feel that if the situation were reversed, and I were abroad and emphasising my English ways I would be heavily frowned upon, and don't understand why it's seen as alright to carry on this way.
    TRUST ME all British Londoners have felt this way at some time
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    (Original post by EskimoJo)
    In what way? Which aspects of our identity have we lost? What would you identify as British from 20, heck 30 years ago that isn't here now? Just wondering...
    Bah it wasn't meant to come across in any horrible way, but people don't seem to be able to understand each other any more in the way that a lot of other countries do. I don't have any particular evidence for that, it's just a feeling I get. I agree with what someone else said earlier about London feeling very 'cold' - I feel the same about the UK in general. People just don't seem to care about the country any more because they can't understand it, or the people they share communities with.
    It's a shame, especially because a lot of immigrants are so useful and quite simply a lot of them are lovely people as well. It just feels like everyone in the UK is alienated from each other and there's no common feeling or pride or... whatever. I've lost track of what I'm saying :woo:
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    (Original post by FinalFan3)
    I can't believe some people think it's unreasonable to expect immigrants to speak English and to at least become involved in British life. The segregated ghetto communities encourage this behaviour as they negate the need for speaking English if you can just speak your mother tongue all the time.
    But do you not find it ironic that the same kind of people who most vocally attack Immigrants for not being able to speak English and living in so called "segregated Ghettos" will be the same type of people who will move to a segregated Ghetto on the Costa del Sol and refuse to learn Spanish.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But do you not find it ironic that the same kind of people who most vocally attack Immigrants for not being able to speak English and living in so called "segregated Ghettos" will be the same type of people who will move to a segregated Ghetto on the Costa del Sol and refuse to learn Spanish.
    I think you have just guessed that connection.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    But do you not find it ironic that the same kind of people who most vocally attack Immigrants for not being able to speak English and living in so called "segregated Ghettos" will be the same type of people who will move to a segregated Ghetto on the Costa del Sol and refuse to learn Spanish.
    Yeah I do. And I don't think that's right either. British people are perhaps some of the worst at language learning, expecting everyone to know English wherever they go.
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    (Original post by indigoblue)
    But I love London! I can only speak from my own experience, so you can't try to speak for me!
    Point out the bit where I tried to speak for you please. :hmmm:
    Unlike you, I didn't make any sweeping statements such as 'native Londoners don't feel like London belongs to them', nor have I described the 5 types of people who live in London stating who they all think London belongs to.
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    I think you have just guessed that connection.

    I think i have just not :dontknow:
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    (Original post by FinalFan3)
    Yeah I do. And I don't think that's right either. British people are perhaps some of the worst at language learning, expecting everyone to know English wherever they go.

    Yeah i know, but luckily the majority arent like this. Just like the majority of immigrants do not match the stereotypes thrust upon them.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    I think i have just not :dontknow:
    Well do you have any evidence?

    I also don't really know what you mean. You think there are people who think it's perfectly OK for immigrants to live in ghettos and not speak English? I certainly don't think that's acceptable, but I am also aware that not all immigrants are like that.
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    thats not racist??
    jesus. People are so quick to use that word.
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    (Original post by malleablegrace)
    Bah it wasn't meant to come across in any horrible way, but people don't seem to be able to understand each other any more in the way that a lot of other countries do. I don't have any particular evidence for that, it's just a feeling I get. I agree with what someone else said earlier about London feeling very 'cold' - I feel the same about the UK in general. People just don't seem to care about the country any more because they can't understand it, or the people they share communities with.
    It's a shame, especially because a lot of immigrants are so useful and quite simply a lot of them are lovely people as well. It just feels like everyone in the UK is alienated from each other and there's no common feeling or pride or... whatever. I've lost track of what I'm saying http://static.thestudentroom.co.uk/i...milies/woo.gif
    That has very little to do with immigration imo, and more to do with the fact that we live in an age of fear. We are led to fear terrorists, we're led to fear violence/gun and knife crime, we are led to fear identity theft, we are led to fear all types of food/communication devices that can give us cancer, we are led to fear paedophiles, we are led to fear being sued, we are led to fear speaking our minds and offending people (not just based on race), we are led to fear burglaries, we are led to fear scams, we are led to fear internet perverts and weirdos in real life, we are led to fear being unpopular, we are led to fear looking unattractive, we are led to fear animals/pets suddenly turning on us, we are led to fear bird flu/swine flu/mad cow disease, we are led to fear date rape, we are led to fear the affects of smoking/drinking/eating unhealthily, we are led to fear hot/cold/wet weather, we are led to fear not being able to move up the property ladder...
    It seems like nowadays, I don't know if it's because of the media or what, but there's always something that it's fashionable to be afraid of or worried about or even angry about. I remember when a little girl was killed by her grandma's dog (???) and for weeks there always seemed to be a new story in the papers about some kid that had been scratched or badly mauled by an unprovoked dog. Everything is always built up to a frenzy, then we calm down about it as something else becomes more exciting.
    I don't know if it happens more frequently nowadays and life is just more complicated or if I've just grown up and started seeing the world for what it really is, but what I know is, if I'm afraid when a strange person starts talking to me on the train, it's for a whole list of reasons and I've panicked before I even notice their race. You can't risk being friendly with strangers, you might be killed. You can't risk helping someone in need again you might be killed, it might be a scam of some sort (like those spam/chain mail emails/texts my dad always panics about and sends me - there's a new trend of raping young ladies by hiding in the back of their cars as they go to pay for their petrol; if you get a call from this number hang up straight away, they're taking your credit as you speak; don't bend down to check when something hits your foot at the cinema, they person behind you has chloroform on a rag and is going to rape you somehow, blah blah blah), heck you might be caught on candid camera looking like a fool!
    A stranger is always a danger and there is something scary at every corner. It's no wonder people are 'cold' and 'don't care about the country'! To not be a paranoid, selfish person, you have to ignore all that (whilst still being safe) and just be free to think for yourself and do what you feel is right, not what some newspaper has told you to do.
    /rant :woo:
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    (Original post by EskimoJo)
    Which Londoners do you represent? Use the search function to see the threads there have been on 'Who loves London' or telling people to post here if you 'heart London' (that might be Facebook actually..). Most of the Londoners I know love London and are proud to be Londoners. Haven't you heard the phrase 'I'm not from Britain/England, I'm from London!'? And I guess you've never been on a coach full of Arsenal fans travelling to an away match singing 'Maybe it's Because I'm a Londoner...'? My room at Uni (in Nottingham) has a poster of London at night in it.

    London is MY city, my home. It really irritates me that you've attempted to speak for so many different groups of people when you can't possibly know what they all think. :hmmm:
    Yes

    I'm a londoner
    don't know many people who could imagine living anywhere else in england.

    It is the best - only habitable? - place in the country. But I'm zone 2.

    people in zones 4-9 can have a different experience; but then does zone 6 even count as real london ?
    Croydon definitely isn't london
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    (Original post by sandro)
    Yes

    I'm a londoner
    don't know many people who could imagine living anywhere else in england.

    It is the best - only habitable? - place in the country. But I'm zone 2.

    people in zones 4-9 can have a different experience; but then does zone 6 even count as real london ?
    Croydon definitely isn't london
    I live in zone 4 and I love London. I have a friend at Uni that lives on the edge of Croydon, technically out of London. She always claims she's a Londoner and I always tease her that she's not. She also loves London. :dontknow:
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    (Original post by sandro)
    It is the best - only habitable? - place in the country.
    ... And yet you're located in Cambridge.

    Seriously, you need to take your head out of your ass, not all working-class are as you say
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    (Original post by sandro)
    But I'm zone 2.
    Not exactly central central
 
 
 
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