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    If Socialism and Communism made citizens happy and rich, then I would be on the streets supporting it. Unfortunately I don't think Socialism can do this.
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    No, faced with this these allocation of apples: 2,2,2,2,2,3,5 or 1,1,1,1,1,2,3 - I know which one I'd consider optimal.
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    People talk about revolution as if it's the manifestation of a glorious ideal rather than a violent upheaval which would leave many dead and likely end in a dictatorship.

    If the country democratically voted in a socialist government, then that's fair enough, but I'd probably leave.
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    I don't like lots of restrictions, so no i would not support it.
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    no, if anything i'd volunteer to defend against it. goddamn hippies.
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    Saying so now, no. But if this did somehow happen, I'm sure the spin doctors would do a fantastic job. They'd target students especially with a pin-point sharp arrow
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    I wouldn't, socialism won't work if achieved via revolution as it requires a monumental shift in human society what can only be reached effectively after thousands of years of gradual changing. Extreme Socialism/Communism when implemented directly only causes death and counter-revolution.
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    Not while there is breath in body
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    (Original post by Eric Arthur)
    We're probably all going to end up on some sort of government watch list.
    *takes names*
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    Yes. Only, however, if it resulted in a type of communist system where people lead comfortable lives - i.e. everyone had a high standard of living and health.
    I would support no revolution that seen everyone end up equal but poor with low levels of health and standards of life.
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    But of course:teeth:

    (Original post by Vinnygar)
    When we say socialist revolution, what do we mean though? I love the idea of socialism but sometimes it's just a utopia.

    The argument is: (generalizing here) most of you are students, so once you qualify in your respected professions you hope to earn a decent wage, right? Otherwise I'm guessing wage has nothing to do with it and your doing it because it's something you love? Which if thats the case, I saulte you. But take this as the example:

    Two people.

    -You worked hard in school
    -Barry the class clown messed about in school

    -You went onto pass your a-levels
    -barry screwed them up

    -you went to university for three-four years (perhaps even longer)
    -barry went to work for ASDA stocking shelfs in a half-arsed manner.

    -You finish and your now a brain surgeon earning £15k a year for the rest of your life
    -Barry earns £15k at asda aswell.

    So where is the incentive? You worked hard ALL your life and barry couldn't be bothered with anything apart from getting wrecked on the weekend.

    I'm probably absolutley wrong as far as what yoour implying - but if we mean socialist revolution in that sense: I'll pass.
    The incentive is, that you love brain surgery and want to have a meaning to your life rather than bloody money, walking home every day knowing you may have changed someone's life, and have contributed to your community
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    Whilst I may support socialism, I wouldn't support any revolution as the majority of the time revolutions end in dictatorships and end up being removed from their original aim due to having to enforce their power in the chaos that inevitably follows the violent upheaval of a revolution and often never giving up these powers.

    Also socialism and communism would need international backing in my opinion to truly work, if the UK were to go it alone then many people would simply leave.
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    Obviously not, capitalism is by far the best system. And anyhow, isn't socialism, communism without the revolutionary aspect. Isn't socialism supposed to be through democratic means?
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    (Original post by Olivia_Lightbulb)
    Would you support a socialist revolution that attempted to end our free-market economy and implement an economic system which reconciled economic development with a social conscience?
    Similarly, if the new republic were to be founded on the principles of promoting freedom, ending class privelige (including the monarchy), nationalising the country's resources and tackling the excessive power of trans-global companies (many of which exploit workers' human rights), would you support the revolution?
    No, grow up.
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    (Original post by TomDut)
    Yes. Only, however, if it resulted in a type of communist system where people lead comfortable lives - i.e. everyone had a high standard of living and health.
    I would support no revolution that seen everyone end up equal but poor with low levels of health and standards of life.
    But they inevitably would because as a system in theory and practice it doesn't work. You could say that about any system, surely everyone would allow any sort of system where they had a high standard of living?
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    (Original post by Vinnygar)
    When we say socialist revolution, what do we mean though? I love the idea of socialism but sometimes it's just a utopia.

    The argument is: (generalizing here) most of you are students, so once you qualify in your respected professions you hope to earn a decent wage, right? Otherwise I'm guessing wage has nothing to do with it and your doing it because it's something you love? Which if thats the case, I saulte you. But take this as the example:

    Two people.

    -You worked hard in school
    -Barry the class clown messed about in school

    -You went onto pass your a-levels
    -barry screwed them up

    -you went to university for three-four years (perhaps even longer)
    -barry went to work for ASDA stocking shelfs in a half-arsed manner.

    -You finish and your now a brain surgeon earning £15k a year for the rest of your life
    -Barry earns £15k at asda aswell.

    So where is the incentive? You worked hard ALL your life and barry couldn't be bothered with anything apart from getting wrecked on the weekend.

    I'm probably absolutley wrong as far as what yoour implying - but if we mean socialist revolution in that sense: I'll pass.
    I would hope when someone goes on to become a surgeon or any profession, they have more motivation than money. I believe there are far more incentives, the incentive to achieve your best, to make a difference, to do something you love etc.

    There is also an arguement to suggest that under socialism those who become surgeons, scientists etc. become that for the right reasons and are their on merit, and a greater meritocracy is created. Under the current system there is a large number of people there simply because they've been given the best education or have contacts who give them an easy route in, whilst many don't have the chance to become a surgeon etc. because they've never been given the opportunities.
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    (Original post by respect_campaign)
    I would hope when someone goes on to become a surgeon or any profession, they have more motivation than money. I believe there are far more incentives, the incentive to achieve your best, to make a difference, to do something you love etc.

    There is also an arguement to suggest that under socialism those who become surgeons, scientists etc. become that for the right reasons and are their on merit, and a greater meritocracy is created. Under the current system there is a large number of people there simply because they've been given the best education or have contacts who give them an easy route in, whilst many don't have the chance to become a surgeon etc. because they've never been given the opportunities.
    I think it is very nieve to presume that the reason that someone spends the best part of a decade in education and training sometimes working 70+ hour a week for pure altruism. Yes of course there is a certain degree of wanting to help people, but to be honest the main reason i try at uni is so that i can get a good job, i want a good job so i can earn a decent living, i want to earn a decent living so that i can ensure that one day when i have kids they can get a good education go to uni and get a good job. It is a spiral of aspiration.
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    Absolutely not.
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    (Original post by Moe Lester)
    No, grow up.
    Idealism shouldn't be confused with immaturity. :mad:
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    I would hesitate before joining any kind of violent revolution as they tend to end up creating pretty violent regimes (Soviet Union, etc)

    (Original post by Vinnygar)
    When we say socialist revolution, what do we mean though? I love the idea of socialism but sometimes it's just a utopia.

    The argument is: (generalizing here) most of you are students, so once you qualify in your respected professions you hope to earn a decent wage, right? Otherwise I'm guessing wage has nothing to do with it and your doing it because it's something you love? Which if thats the case, I saulte you. But take this as the example:

    Two people.

    -You worked hard in school
    -Barry the class clown messed about in school

    -You went onto pass your a-levels
    -barry screwed them up

    -you went to university for three-four years (perhaps even longer)
    -barry went to work for ASDA stocking shelfs in a half-arsed manner.

    -You finish and your now a brain surgeon earning £15k a year for the rest of your life
    -Barry earns £15k at asda aswell.

    So where is the incentive? You worked hard ALL your life and barry couldn't be bothered with anything apart from getting wrecked on the weekend.

    I'm probably absolutley wrong as far as what yoour implying - but if we mean socialist revolution in that sense: I'll pass.
    The aim of socialism is actually to make sure everyone gets what they deserve, not the same, so "Barry" would not earn the same as a neuro surgeon as the surgeon contributes more to society (but hed probably end up better off than under a capitalist system where ASDA takes some of his wage as profit)


    at least, thats what i understand:rolleyes:
 
 
 
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