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    CORRECTION: SIXTH FORM COLLEGE



    Hello everyone,


    I just have a few questions to ask, since I haven't had a lot of luck with the people I have managed to ask so far.


    I'll be starting a BSc in French and Mathematics at the University of Exeter in the autumn, and have long known that I would like to become a teacher in one or both of the subjects at A-level. I'm hoping to start a PGCE after graduating (if that's the one I need)?


    One slight thing, if eventually I do get the qualification I need to teach in Further Education (the FE PGCE), would I be able to teach both? I.e. could I get a PGCE for French and Maths, rather than say a PGCE for French, and hope that merely having the bachelor's degree will be sufficient enough for them to let me teach Maths too?



    I'm sorry if this has been covered by other people's questions, but thank you in advance for any advice you can offer me (towards the questions below, now)

    Benn x
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    You don't need to gain any qualification to teach in a further education college. Yes, you would be able to teach both.
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    I'm sure you're correct, but in practice even my college, which is a privately run college with no county funding, often stipulates that they want teaching qualifications as well as specialism in a subject to teach.

    Let's rephrase the question: assuming that I would definitely need a qualification in teaching (PGCE/QTS), is it possible that I can delve into the ins and outs of teaching both subjects during the PGCE process, or is it limited to the teaching of one?

    Thank you in advance ^^
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    Qualified Teacher Status (QTS) is a requirement for teachers in state schools. FE teaching qualifications do not confer QTS so if you take a PGCE (FE) course you cannot change your mind and start teaching in a school. A more flexible route would be to train to teach the 11-18 or 13-18 ages as this will give you QTS and would also meet the proposed new requirements for teachers of FE to ultimately hold some sort of teaching qualification.

    The situation is horribly muddled at the moment due to the Workforce Reforms for FE teachers. Have a look at this flow chart that shows potential qualification routes. If you understand it, presumably you are clever enough to automatically gain the necessary certificate!

    http://www.lluk.org/documents/lluk_f...heet_oct07.pdf

    As for your other question, a PGCE trains you to teach so you would be deemed capable of teaching anything from flower arranging to motor mechanics. There should be no problem with teaching French and Mathematics* although you would be unlikely to see a job advertised for both. You would usually get a job in one area and then you could hint to the timetabler that you would like some hours in the other subject the following year.

    * French and Mathematics are more commonly offered by Sixth Form Colleges rather than FE Colleges. Many FE Colleges offer less academic pathways.
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    I think I got some things confused about Sixth Form/FE, so I edited :P I will just clarify then about the college I was referring to - it is technically an FE college but it is both a Sixth Form College and an FE college (if there is such a thing). Sixth form is merely one sector it handles.


    About the flowchart... riiiiggghtt... I see what you mean... perhaps I should take back what I said about aiming to teach in FE, but rather I meant Sixth Form. Specifically. If I am understanding you correctly, then this would send me down the route you described here:
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    A more flexible route would be to train to teach the 11-18 or 13-18 ages as this will give you QTS and would also meet the proposed new requirements for teachers of FE to ultimately hold some sort of teaching qualification.



    Sorry for asking questions again, but here is the crux of what I really need to know then, after all that. So I know now that I could teach both French and Maths, although probably one subject to start with (I assumed this might be the case), but:

    The training to teach 11-18 or 13-18, is that the PGCE (FE) or another thing? It is as you say a bit muddled =/

    Thank you so much by the way!
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    (Original post by bennh)
    The training to teach 11-18 or 13-18, is that the PGCE (FE) or another thing? It is as you say a bit muddled =/

    Thank you so much by the way!
    No, the PGCE (FE) is only acceptable in a 16-19 environment (i.e. post-compulsory education).

    I think it is a bit early for you to be worrying about this. Your first degree choice of maths and french will make you a very desirable candidate for teacher training as they are both shortage subjects. You will be able to get plenty of information from your university careers centre when you need it later on.
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    (Original post by Mr M)
    No, the PGCE (FE) is only acceptable in a 16-19 environment (i.e. post-compulsory education).

    I think it is a bit early for you to be worrying about this. Your first degree choice of maths and french will make you a very desirable candidate for teacher training as they are both shortage subjects. You will be able to get plenty of information from your university careers centre when you need it later on.
    Ahh cool. I'll wait until then to see what I can get to enable me to teach 13-18 age, whatever that might be =]

    Thank you for all your help, again.
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    (Original post by bennh)
    Ahh cool. I'll wait until then to see what I can get to enable me to teach 13-18 age, whatever that might be =]

    Thank you for all your help, again.
    That would be a Secondary PGCE in Mathematics/Modern Foreign Languages but not a PGCE (FE).

    And you are welcome.
 
 
 
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