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EFT and beyond

If you are chopped from any Phase 2 Officer training you would look at re-Branching to another Branch. You would then research and put yourself forward for new choices - you'd be re-boarded and, if it suited the RAF, you'll go and start in a new Branch.

Reply 21

Drewski

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Matti_dude

Just wondering, but what happens if you are cut out of one oif the flying courses? I asked a guy on the raf careers phone line and he said if you get selected to be a pilot you are very likely to pass and shouldnt fail.

Wzz will be able to answer better than I, but it depends on where in the flying system you were chopped.

If EFT, then I believe I'm right in saying that's it and then ProStacker's words come into effect. But if it's later then you can be moved around the streams to see if you suit one or other better. For instance, being chopped from BFJT would possibly see you move to ME training.

Reply 22

Matti_dude

Thanks for clearing that up. I probably should be worrying more about how to prepare for the selection process than any of this but I like to know what might happen in the worst case scenario.

Reply 23

Schleigg

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I wouldn't say that just because you are selected, you are very likely to pass. Since I started flying training there have been at least 5 or 6 people been chopped for various reasons.

Some re-branched and others just PVRed and took their chances in civvy street.

Reply 24

Matti_dude

I guess if i ever do make it that far i'll just have to give it everything i've ot and then some more and hope i make it through

Reply 25

Lady Venom

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it depends on where you get chopped... whether you a) get a re-branch, b) get re-roled (pilot), or c) binned. And unfortunately there's no set answer as it depends on a) the person b) where they got chopped and what for and c) where there are vacancies.

And for the OP.... Do not go private flying! Wait until EFT - it's designed to teach you and it will. And you must be about 25...!!

Reply 26

Wzz

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Matti_dude

Just wondering, but what happens if you are cut out of one oif the flying courses?

As said, "it depends." If chopped very early on, you're likely to be looking at a rebranch. However, that's dependent on you heading back to OASC and being interviewed, and there being vacancies in the branch you want. There are no guarantees, but the fact you've already passed IOT is obviously a big plus.

The further through you've gone, it starts to vary. At the mid range point where you've proven yourself as relatively useful in the air, you'll probably find you're given the opportunity to be restreamed to either multis or helicopters. It depends again on what recommendations are written up in your suspension board report, as they tend to happen.

If chopped at BFJT you're likely to get a shot at either RW or ME, but if chopped at RW you can only fall to ME. If chopped at ME, you're back to rebranching; it's unheard of for someone to move to a more challenging stream.

The later you are, chances are you'll look at the ME stream as being the likely option, as it gets you through quicker and the ME crossover courses are shorter when you have more experience.

If you get chopped at OCU level or on a CR workup, chances are you'll get a look at a different fleet within your stream.

The thing to stress though is that every single situation is looked at individually so there's no standard result.

Matti_dude

I asked a guy on the raf careers phone line and he said if you get selected to be a pilot you are very likely to pass and shouldnt fail.

What is this, some sort of Indian call centre? That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my career. Being selected is by far and away the easiest bit of the entire process. The aptitude tests are a good indicator of future performance, but at the end of the day you need to crack it for 60-odd EFT trips, 110 at BFJT, 60 at AFT, 45 at TW and another 45 on an OCU before you've "passed."

Reply 27

anony_miss

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Lady Venom

And for the OP.... Do not go private flying! Wait until EFT - it's designed to teach you and it will. And you must be about 25...!!

Not quite 25.. The age limit is 24 after all, making me 23 and a bit more than a bit. :s-smilie:

But I'm in, medical clearance should be processed by now so just waiting for final confirmation. Phew! :biggrin:

Reply 28

anony_miss

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Wzz

What is this, some sort of Indian call centre?

Haha. It's only a matter of time before they outsource.

Wzz

The aptitude tests are a good indicator of future performance...

Now, I sense that I'm going to regret asking this (I just can't resist, I'm one of those horrendous people who always post-mortems an exam), but is there a very strong correlation between good pilot aptitude scores and getting the more challenging streams? And what is a 'good' score? I have a feeling mine's quite shoddy :s-smilie:

I struggle with joysticks...

Reply 29

Wzz

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anony_miss

Now, I sense that I'm going to regret asking this (I just can't resist, I'm one of those horrendous people who always post-mortems an exam), but is there a very strong correlation between good pilot aptitude scores and getting the more challenging streams?

Yes, ish, but it depends. It's all down to your EFT performance where you end up, but I say "yes" because there is a correlation between EFT performance and aptitude performance to an extent.

There are always those with phenomenal aptitude who simply can't move an aeroplane right, and there are those who shine a bit with the specific jobs in the air but can't put it together in front of an abstract test on a computer. In general, though, good at one equals good at the other, or they wouldn't use them!

anony_miss

And what is a 'good' score? I have a feeling mine's quite shoddy :s-smilie:

I wouldn't worry too much as long as you've passed. Not too long ago, they didn't even tell you unless you'd failed!

Reply 30

anony_miss

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Wzz

Not too long ago, they didn't even tell you unless you'd failed!

I first went to OASC in 2004 and was amused to see the aptitude test computers I used then in the 'vintage' display in the briefing room this time round :biggrin:

Reply 31

Lady Venom

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anony_miss

I first went to OASC in 2004 and was amused to see the aptitude test computers I used then in the 'vintage' display in the briefing room this time round :biggrin:

Ditto. I first went in '02!

I last went in 2006.

Feb '03 and Jan '09 for me.

Reply 34

Lady Venom

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Have been 02, 03, and 07. Never have to go back again thankfully!

Reply 35

Matti_dude

Wzz

What is this, some sort of Indian call centre?

Yeah he didn't seem very helpful at all really, luckily i should be going down to my nearest AFCO sometime in the next month to clear up anything that i'm still unsure about. I also asked the same person what other officer duties you would have as a pilot and he replied, you will be mainly flying. After reading countless posts on here about secondary officer duties I didn't believe him at all.