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Is David Cameron to the very left of the Tory paty? watch

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    Is it just a PR stunt to suck up to New Labour supporters and Liberals? John Redwood voted DC, so I think he believes in the free market, but other than that he seems pretty damn centre ground. Thoughts?
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    PR, imo.

    Couldn't care less though. He's a ****.
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    He's certainly to the left of Thatcher.

    Politics is in a bit of an odd state at the moment. I think that the old ideas of what constitutes left and right are becoming much less relevant than they once were. You'll find very few ideologists around at the moment, and I think that's a bit of a shame.

    Politics is primarily a pragmatic business: Do what it takes to get elected. And after the 1997 general elections, the Tories have had to shift in order to win votes, just as Labour had to abandon socialism in order to win the 1997 elections.

    There are a few Tories with some rather right-wing opinions. Dan Hannan is a prominent one. But essentially, we had 'New Labour', and I really think that what we're seeing here is something similar on behalf of the Tories.
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    He is no way as right-wing as typically associated with the Tories.
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    Sadly so. He's not a 'real' Tory because he genuinely isn't, but because he thinks it's more fashionable to appear not so.



    (If that makes sense. :lolwut:)
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    (Original post by TheMeister)
    Sadly so. He's not a 'real' Tory because he genuinely isn't, but because he thinks it's more fashionable to appear not so.



    (If that makes sense. :lolwut:)
    Especially seeing as the Conservatives are now all about change :laugh:
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    Cameron's whatever he needs to be to get votes :nn:
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    (Original post by BlackpoolCraig)
    He's certainly to the left of Thatcher.

    Politics is in a bit of an odd state at the moment. I think that the old ideas of what constitutes left and right are becoming much less relevant than they once were. You'll find very few ideologists around at the moment, and I think that's a bit of a shame.

    Politics is primarily a pragmatic business: Do what it takes to get elected. And after the 1997 general elections, the Tories have had to shift in order to win votes, just as Labour had to abandon socialism in order to win the 1997 elections.

    There are a few Tories with some rather right-wing opinions. Dan Hannan is a prominent one. But essentially, we had 'New Labour', and I really think that what we're seeing here is something similar on behalf of the Tories.
    Agreed 100%
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    Cameron doesn't really represent the conservative grass roots movement in any meaningful sense.

    He isn't to the left of the party - he isn't even really a member of the conservative movement per se. What is correct is his statement to be the heir to Blair - he has very New Labour-esque beliefs. He is part of the "middle ground" party which takes over other political parties and uses them as a means to an end.
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    I honestly do not trust him.
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    (Original post by caroline147)
    Cameron's whatever he needs to be to get votes :nn:
    This. I don't trust anything he says
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    Remember, Cameron is fundamentally a Thatcherite and have given a lot of time to the sort of liberal economic theory that the likes of IDS and Howard would not.

    So what's 'left wing' about him? I'm not quite sure. That he's an environmentalist? That transcends ideology. As indeed do more of his social views.
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    (Original post by d123)
    This. I don't trust anything he says
    How about you start? Cynicism isn't big and it isn't clever; it is just doing a great deal of harm to this country.

    I am thoroughly sick of people making up ludicrous and uninformed statements about politicians and government and then pretending they are somehow corrupt, evil or all dishonest beyond redemption. It's a pile of utter ****.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    How about you start? Cynicism isn't big and it isn't clever; it is just doing a great deal of harm to this country.
    It isn't cynicism which is doing the harm. It's apathy.

    I am thoroughly sick of people making up ludicrous and uninformed statements about politicians and government and then pretending they are somehow corrupt, evil or all dishonest beyond redemption. It's a pile of utter ****.
    I'm thorougly sick of people making up ludicrous statements too. Mainstream political parties, and most of the politicians in them, are corrupt and dishonest. Any informed person who says they are not is deceitful. No one, however, is beyond redemption.
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    He's certainly appears to be on the left of his party, whether he actually is or not i'm not sure. He certainly has a lot of right wingers in his cabinet though, here's hoping he takes their advice
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    (Original post by Tamora)
    It isn't cynicism which is doing the harm. It's apathy.
    The two are very much interconnected.

    I'm thorougly sick of people making up ludicrous statements too. Mainstream political parties, and most of the politicians in them, are corrupt and dishonest. Any informed person who says they are not is deceitful. No one, however, is beyond redemption.
    I'm afraid that's exactly what I say. Corrupt? Do you seriously believe that our politicians are corrupt on any meaningful scale? I'm not talking about fiddling a few thousand on expenses here, but something actually significant?

    If you go into politics in this country to be self-serving, you'll be thoroughly disappointed. The pay is ****, for one.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Remember, Cameron is fundamentally a Thatcherite and have given a lot of time to the sort of liberal economic theory that the likes of IDS and Howard would not.

    So what's 'left wing' about him? I'm not quite sure. That he's an environmentalist? That transcends ideology. As indeed do more of his social views.
    What are some of his social views?
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    Probably but it's hard to see because the right of the party are told to sit down, shut up and vote with Cameron all the way.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Remember, Cameron is fundamentally a Thatcherite
    (Original post by David Cameron)
    A Conservative government would match Labour's projected public spending totals for the next three years
    Source*

    You're not often wrong Lib, but in this instance you are. Cameron is clearly a Blairite - such spending plans would be incompatible with Thatcherism.

    *This would of been David Cameron's decision - believing otherwise is delusional.
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    (Original post by Rule Britannia)
    Source*

    You're not often wrong Lib, but in this instance you are. Cameron is clearly a Blairite - such spending plans would be incompatible with Thatcherism.

    *This would of been David Cameron's decision - believing otherwise is delusional.
    But since Thatcher every Prime Minister has been a Thatcherite. Fundamentally Blair was one, as is Gordon Brown. They have continued the Thatcher 'revolution' and in some ways have furthered it. Cameron is definately a Thatcherite.
 
 
 
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