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All uni's that don't rank in the Top 50 should not exist. Watch

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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    Why did you change your post that said you didn't actually believe what you posted in your thread-starting post? :o:
    Because then the MODS would *wrongly* assume that I were trolling. With 13 warning points, I shan't be risking incorrect accusations. :no:

    And yah, I don't actually believe in the OP myself. Still, an interesting debate on its merits. :jiggy:
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    Discuss.
    Just :facepalm:

    ...with the side observation that you must be Tory :shifty:
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    (Original post by Craghyrax)
    Just :facepalm:

    ...with the side observation that you must be Tory :shifty:
    How could I possibly be, what with my feverously avid reading of Darling's bio?

    *see sig* :ninja:
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    Bit silly. Though i do agree with the idea of some poor universities been shut down. People are yet again judging a uni by its ranking on the whole rather than for each individual subject. It would cause endless problems for example less money been put into research for a start.
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    All universities that rank outside of the overall Top 50 in the UK should not exist. Such excessive amounts of money should not be spent on students who fail to get into these highly ranked uni's and become highly-regarded international professionals, but instead they should be trained in colleges/camps to obtain cheap/easy diplomas in building work/hairdressing/gardening/whatever.

    I'm not saying that the diplomas/equilavent are inferior to the degree at all, but would simply cater for different needs.

    What point is there for the gov. to be forking out billions of pounds for students who'll most likely graduate with a worthless degree? What point is there for pushing ~60% of all students to go to uni and then complain about the subsequent lack of graduate jobs available?

    Us clever-clogs should be left for the degrees and the professional roles, fuelling competition and pushing the academic bar of the UK ever higher.

    The top 50, whilst obviously not static, would be measured from an average of hundreds of different league tables over the years/international ratings/professional/academic ratings and it would obviously also cater for specialist universities/uni's with amazing individual courses which could perhaps be all mixed together or something.



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    The market decides
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    (Original post by tlozoot)
    No, because then I couldn't go to the Uni I'm going to be attending this September. I could have gone to one of the top ones, but chose not to.
    thats either not true, or just a stupid decision.
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    OP, you are partly right.

    but it would be the better decision to not banish all non-top-50 unis, instead, don't subsidise them.
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    (Original post by TheSophist)
    The market decides
    if it did, there wouldn't be this problem.
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    All universities that rank outside of the overall Top 50 in the UK should not exist. Such excessive amounts of money should not be spent on students who fail to get into these highly ranked uni's and become highly-regarded international professionals, but instead they should be trained in colleges/camps to obtain cheap/easy diplomas in building work/hairdressing/gardening/whatever.

    I'm not saying that the diplomas/equilavent are inferior to the degree at all, but would simply cater for different needs.

    What point is there for the gov. to be forking out billions of pounds for students who'll most likely graduate with a worthless degree? What point is there for pushing ~60% of all students to go to uni and then complain about the subsequent lack of graduate jobs available?

    Us clever-clogs should be left for the degrees and the professional roles, fuelling competition and pushing the academic bar of the UK ever higher.

    The top 50, whilst obviously not static, would be measured from an average of hundreds of different league tables over the years/international ratings/professional/academic ratings and it would obviously also cater for specialist universities/uni's with amazing individual courses which could perhaps be all mixed together or something.



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    Hey, the 'have your say'-guy should be worried!
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    (Original post by stopstartstall)
    Can the people saying that you shouldn't go to university with Cs please get a grip? I got BCC at A Level, went to a university (not an ex-poly) to do an academic subject (We count English Lit/American Studies (American Literature essentially) as academic, right?), got a 2:1 (would have got a First but had a seriously ****** module in the third year where lecturer was ill and no one taught us for six weeks and everyone got lower marks). I'm doing a Masters now, in line for a distinction, and been accepted to do my PhD at University of Birmingham (A Russel group uni shockhorrorgasp) next year. I'm respected by my lecturers, have given a helping hand in one or two undergrad seminars in my research area, working towards publishing a recent essay with the help of a lecturer and want to be a lecturer when I've finished my PhD.

    It's not all doom and gloom, people.
    No plans to do anything productive, then?
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    There's a program on Radio 4 tonight that might be of interest (at least to those who aren't just trolling the thread...). It's called Reality Check, and tonight's edition is discussing the high numbers currently attending "universities" in the UK. The 50% figure does seem insanely high to me, surely we're nowhere near that proportion of jobs requiring education to age 21+?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lsyd2
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    All universities that rank outside of the overall Top 50 in the UK should not exist. Such excessive amounts of money should not be spent on students who fail to get into these highly ranked uni's and become highly-regarded international professionals, but instead they should be trained in colleges/camps to obtain cheap/easy diplomas in building work/hairdressing/gardening/whatever.

    I'm not saying that the diplomas/equilavent are inferior to the degree at all, but would simply cater for different needs.

    What point is there for the gov. to be forking out billions of pounds for students who'll most likely graduate with a worthless degree? What point is there for pushing ~60% of all students to go to uni and then complain about the subsequent lack of graduate jobs available?

    Us clever-clogs should be left for the degrees and the professional roles, fuelling competition and pushing the academic bar of the UK ever higher.

    The top 50, whilst obviously not static, would be measured from an average of hundreds of different league tables over the years/international ratings/professional/academic ratings and it would obviously also cater for specialist universities/uni's with amazing individual courses which could perhaps be all mixed together or something.



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    Now that's not very nice. What's happened to you, ADREAM? You seemed a much nicer chap last year :sadnod:
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    Can't be fussed getting into the whole debate but yes..51 should be a poly
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    (Original post by RightSaidJames)
    That's not true, only about 34% go to university today and the highest it's ever been is 37%.

    Anyway, this thread is stupid because rankings are subjective, different papers have different ranking systems, some unis will slip in and out of the top 50 on a regular basis, and if a uni isn't allowed to exist it has no means of getting into the top 50 in the first place.
    Okay sorry! The point remains though that seems fairly high, it would obviously be lower if there was only 50 unis! With less unis though, there would be less competition, lowering overall standards!
 
 
 
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