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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Erm, what? :rolleyes:

    I actually made a valid point. Essentially every university below the top 40-60 range was formerly a polytechnic. Of course there are some exceptions, but I am wholeheartedly opposed to the watering down of degrees and the misleading of the public into thinking 50% of school-leavers will soon be going to "university" when standards obviously differ. Instead of responding with petty ad hominem attacks, I'd have expected at least some sort of genuine refutation. LOL.
    Just checked Aberdeen is at 33. I now agree with you. Although not that bit. Aberdeen is at 33 and it has the oldest medicine department in the English speaking world. So there may be a few gems in the rough.
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    You think St Andrews is a poor university? There are no words to describe your fail.
    No, I just think it full of ***** that couldn't get into oxbridge. Also its pretty much an English uni.
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    Loving the generalisation that anyone who goes to a uni outside the top 50 is automatically as thick as pig sh*t. This smacks of a typical snobbish twunt having a cheap shot at universities lower down the league table. Well guess what, some of us actually chose to go to one because of the course content/facilities available.
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    (Original post by kates:))
    Talk about twisting my words. Sheesh.

    Obviously extenuating circumstances aside, for people who achieve the lower end of the grade scale clearly aren't cut out for higher level academic work. And none of this 'what about bad schools etc etc etc' - if you want to do well you can do it regardless in my opinion. I know many people who have done, too. I agree with the fact that if people want to continue some kind of higher education then that is fine, all v.well and good. Training/diplomas/HNDs/certificates. But going to a 'university' and getting a 'degree' just dilutes the value of how hard others work and how hard universities work to maintain their good standards, I think. Plus if all you can be arsed to get at A level is D, E, U etc then why should being at a university make you any more motivated to learn and indulge academically. Doesn't make sense. They'd be better getting a job or some kind of vocational training.
    that kid who said he got DEU, is now at med school,

    where the cut of point, oh you got crap grade's sorry go away
    like the old 11plus and school selections
    whats not to say these people will go to uni and work just as hard and walk away with a 1st, A-levels and doing a degree are very different, first off your not spoon fed everything you need to know, plus you allowed to study what you want to study, puts people of if they don't like what they are studying, plus they are paying for it now

    i agree to the fact not everyone is built for a academic route, you could see that from school up, but not right going to people your grades are poor so your not going to uni, allowing people the chance to do so, they may walk out with a 2.1, and won't go into high flying jobs, but there are lots of places that need grads
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    For the record not everyone who goes to Ex-Poly's are idiots. I'm predicted ABB so please stop stereotyping.
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    (Original post by wilko1991)
    No, I just think it full of ***** that couldn't get into oxbridge. Also its pretty much an English uni.
    St Andrews is a respected uni and it's not even one of those unis you'd typically call an "oxbridge reject uni".

    And how is it "pretty much an English uni". It's courses are a year longer than English ones for starters.

    Just because you couldn't get in...
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    (Original post by EagleHawk)
    For the record not everyone who goes to Ex-Poly's are idiots. I'm predicted ABB so please stop stereotyping.
    :ditto:

    Also, I applied to two top 20 unis and fulfilled the offer for both, I went to an ex-poly out of choice.
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    The number of university places should be limited to the number of students that get employed in graduate level work and the number that go on to do a Phd (not masters). We don't need 100 000 new graduates every year only to be employed in administrative roles or be on the JSA.
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    All universities that rank outside of the overall Top 50 in the UK should not exist. Such excessive amounts of money should not be spent on students who fail to get into these highly ranked uni's and become highly-regarded international professionals, but instead they should be trained in colleges/camps to obtain cheap/easy diplomas in building work/hairdressing/gardening/whatever.

    I'm not saying that the diplomas/equilavent are inferior to the degree at all, but would simply cater for different needs.

    What point is there for the gov. to be forking out billions of pounds for students who'll most likely graduate with a worthless degree? What point is there for pushing ~60% of all students to go to uni and then complain about the subsequent lack of graduate jobs available?

    Us clever-clogs should be left for the degrees and the professional roles, fuelling competition and pushing the academic bar of the UK ever higher.

    The top 50, whilst obviously not static, would be measured from an average of hundreds of different league tables over the years/international ratings/professional/academic ratings and it would obviously also cater for specialist universities/uni's with amazing individual courses which could perhaps be all mixed together or something.



    Discuss.
    100% agree with this and I 'm sure most of the tax paying public would to.
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    Restricts competition
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    St Andrews is a respected uni and it's not even one of those unis you'd typically call an "oxbridge reject uni".

    And how is it "pretty much an English uni". It's courses are a year longer than English ones for starters.

    Just because you couldn't get in...
    No chance that I could have got in. That's got nothing to do with it, I would never choose to go there.

    It's pretty much an English uni because its full of guffs.
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    (Original post by marcusmerehay)
    Why would that make a difference?

    Then you'd have people saying 'oh, we only need the top-half of those Unis' and so on and so forth until you just get to Oxbridge. Completely unnecessary.

    At the end of the day it's the decision of the individual person as to what Uni they go to, and potential employers will know how acclaimed degrees are from different Universities.
    No, you'd get to the point where the number of university places for a particular course is representative of the proportion of the population that works in the particular profession, which is the point of this thread.
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    (Original post by wilko1991)
    No chance that I could have got in. That's got nothing to do with it, I would never choose to go there.

    It's pretty much an English uni because its full of guffs.
    Fair enough.

    However, on the second point, don't you find that's quite stereotypical and prejudiced? :eyeball:
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    Fair enough.

    However, on the second point, don't you find that's quite stereotypical and prejudiced? :eyeball:
    What prejudiced? I don't want to go there because, to me, its more of an English uni and has lost any sort of Scottish heritage. I want to stay Scottish in Scotland and don't want to go to England and the same applies to going to Englishish unis.
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    The institutions which provide a more "vocational" style of degree should re-name themselves as something other than a 'University', offering something other than a 'degree'.
    This is not to say that these institutions do not provide an essential form of education: I believe that they do.
    Yet it is the mixing up of vocational and academic qualifications (very easy to do) that I believe is serving to misguide people ...
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    this is a fair point, it would save tax payers money
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    I agree completely, fed up with idiots going to uni. It should really be the top 30, and the rest classed as Polytechnics. We should keep it old-school where only the smartest students go to Uni. If you want to go to Uni, get better grades, just like not everyone can get into Oxbridge.
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    And some are going because they feel they should, despite poor grades. They may well do what is regarded as a mickeymouse subject, go through the costs of university, when getting apprenticeships etc would have been of better use to them.
    I think that these people you speak of are old enough to decide for themselves whether or not they want to attend university. Also, Can you give a clear definition regarding what a "Mickey mouse" subject is? As I don't believe that there is a true definition for such a snobby term. Whether or not a subject can be considered "wishy washy" or "Mickey Mouse" depends entirely on the individiuals preferences, not the opinion of the general public.
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    (Original post by EagleHawk)
    For the record not everyone who goes to Ex-Poly's are idiots. I'm predicted ABB so please stop stereotyping.
    Why, congratulations.
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    (Original post by dn013)
    Restricts competition
    In what way will it restrict competition? If anything, it'll strengthen healthy competition.
 
 
 
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