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    (Original post by Lust of a Gardener)
    I think that these people you speak of are old enough to decide for themselves whether or not they want to attend university. Also, Can you give a clear definition regarding what a "Mickey mouse" subject is? As I don't believe that there is a true definition for such a snobby term. Whether or not a subject can be considered "wishy washy" or "Mickey Mouse" depends entirely on the individiuals preferences, not the opinion of the general public.
    You can tell a mickey mouse degree when you see one. However the term is more associated with A-Levels, i.e accounting/theatre studies/food tech..
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    (Original post by Lust of a Gardener)
    I think that these people you speak of are old enough to decide for themselves whether or not they want to attend university. Also, Can you give a clear definition regarding what a "Mickey mouse" subject is? As I don't believe that there is a true definition for such a snobby term. Whether or not a subject can be considered "wishy washy" or "Mickey Mouse" depends entirely on the individiuals preferences, not the opinion of the general public.
    I don't think I was using mickey mouse in its normal way. I was using it to mean a degree which is unnecessary. IE, a person doing that degree would be better off on an apprenticeship/vocational course.

    Yes, people are old enough to decide for themselves. But clearly, the government is aiming for lots of people to go to university. And why? An academic path will not suit everyone. Many people now feel they should go to university because that is the "expected thing".
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    (Original post by robinson999)
    there a lots of jobs for grads, we are short on teachers, police, the army, all take grads, tons of other places as well, but people don't want these jobs

    as i said in a post before, closing uni below 50, means you closing some very good departments, including a uni ranked number 2 for teaching being Kingston uni
    the £7000 is a worry, that mean only the rich can afford and will go, fees at £3000 was a put of for people , plus that won't cover the full cost of uni, it cost £250k to train a doctor, most lab based courses are what £10,000 + a year, arts just a bit less
    If you read the OP carefully, I did mention that this would be factored into the overall scheme of things - with excellent individual departments perhaps being merged together.
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    In what way will it restrict competition? If anything, it'll strengthen healthy competition.
    Are you saying that if somehow you cut down the number of universities to only 50 then competition will increase?? Competition for university places of course, but I was talking about inter-university competition.
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    Tbh, it's time for me to broadcast my opinion:

    Surprisingly, I'm don't agree with the OP on this one. Why? OP, just get the best grades you can and get into the best uni you can. And I think that should apply to everyone. OP, why do you give a **** about people in the "lesser" unis. Just, for once, think about yourself and don't matter about everyone else. Tbh, it's a person's personal decision whether they want to go to a Top 20 uni or a Top 60 uni. But you know what, if they get ****** by their decisions, well then, they took the "risk" and why should you care? Why? If people want to go to "lesser" unis, seeing the Government has given them the opportunity, let them. They have their own lives and you have their own. If they screw if up and can't get a job, let them! Same principle!
    Who cares? For once, just think about your own life, and never mind anyone elses. If they want to drain taxpayers' money, let them. If they get into debt and can't pay it back, let them. Just leave people alone to do what they ******* want.
    Why? Why all have lives. I do what I want, you do what you want and the others do what they want. If they screw it up, then let them to. It was their decision. Welcome to life - where it is unfair. Step into reality.
    Sort your own life out before complaining about other people's lives.
    You know what... Be thankful we live in a country that tries its best to give everyone the opportunity to go to uni. Yes, there are flaws but no Government, political ideology etc are ever perfect. Britain gives people new opportunities that wouldn't have been around decades before - it's up to people whether or not to make the most out of that opportunity. If they screw that opportunity, why on earth do you give a ****?
    Just stop complaining for heaven's sake!
    Look, we only live our lives once. Stop *****ing and step into reality, you know?
    Tbh, the university system is not perfect - neither is it anywhere else in the world otherwise every country would be using it. But what can we do? Proposing to "kill off" "lesser" unis? That's not going to work - you might be denying just that one person of a better future.
    I struggled to get to this and couldn't help but to give up. :facepalm:

    So sorry, i.s.a.
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    Also, don't forget to take into account all the strong applicants who apply to the unis outside the top 50 for various reasons such as being closer to home, specialisation in a key area, minimising living/transport costs and just generally liking the uni.

    These people will now be forced to apply to a top 50 uni meaning some applicants who WOULD have got a place at the top 50 Uni's will now miss out as a result of very strong competition for places.

    Also, not that I support this idea but if I did, why the top 50? Are you really trying to tell me there is a huge difference in a uni ranked 49th or 70th? Or 40th and 51st etc. If anything, it should be the top 20 or thirty uni's.
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    If you read the OP carefully, I did mention that this would be factored into the overall scheme of things - with excellent individual departments perhaps being merged together.
    i dunno about that, end up marking one super uni, with all the best departments from everywhere, where people classed as not so good uni's, closing down chances for people, you could do that to Russell Group uni's or 1994 group uni's

    plus where would the OU factor into this all
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    (Original post by T.Adams VI)
    You can tell a mickey mouse degree when you see one. However the term is more associated with A-Levels, i.e accounting/theatre studies/food tech..
    Have you ever considered that people attend university in order to follow a specific career path? If a person hopes to become an accountant, certainly they will want to complete an accountancy course. The same applies for students who hope to become actors or actresses, they will understandably apply for a media or theatre studies course.

    The idea that these courses are considered to be "Mickey Mouse" is ridiculous.
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    It's hard to work out, I was turned down from not exactly a high ranking though wasnt too bad uni for the simple reason that even though I had A HNC in the subject already, a NC and a NQ and did summer school for higher equivalents getting BBC I didnt have a Higher or A Level in English! I surpassed the amount of points by quite a big amount and they just told me to reapply next year after spending a few months getting the A level at a college and even if I only got a low grade they would let me in, totally stupid.

    So instead I went to a lower ranking uni(in the lower 40's I think) and got in no problem for a business course despite having no experience in business just Media, stupid.
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    (Original post by Lust of a Gardener)
    Have you ever considered that people attend university in order to follow a specific career path? If a person hopes to become an accountant, certainly they will want to complete an accountancy course. The same applies for students who hope to become actors or actresses, they will understandably apply for a media or theatre studies course.

    The idea that these courses are considered to be "Mickey Mouse" is ridiculous.
    I was referring to the A-levels.
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    (Original post by ADREAM)
    Why, congratulations.
    Thank you very much. :star:
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    Can the people saying that you shouldn't go to university with Cs please get a grip? I got BCC at A Level, went to a university (not an ex-poly) to do an academic subject (We count English Lit/American Studies (American Literature essentially) as academic, right?), got a 2:1 (would have got a First but had a seriously ****** module in the third year where lecturer was ill and no one taught us for six weeks and everyone got lower marks). I'm doing a Masters now, in line for a distinction, and been accepted to do my PhD at University of Birmingham (A Russel group uni shockhorrorgasp) next year. I'm respected by my lecturers, have given a helping hand in one or two undergrad seminars in my research area, working towards publishing a recent essay with the help of a lecturer and want to be a lecturer when I've finished my PhD.

    It's not all doom and gloom, people.
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    These days a degree is practically compulsory and demand is sky high, scrapping half the universities is never going to happen. The government doesn't want us doing vocational jobs and we evidently don't want them so leave those for the immigrants.
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    (Original post by SuperAllano)
    To an extent I agree, I think the fact that over 50% of people are now going to university, it's so easy to get in that it devalues being a student. People are just going for the ride, when in fact, it may not be suitable for them at all. It must be a good thing that university is no longer free, this has to act as a deterrent to those people though!

    Also, how do you judge which are THE "top 50" as all universities specialise in different areas and the rankings are always changing year on year.
    That's not true, only about 34% go to university today and the highest it's ever been is 37%.

    Anyway, this thread is stupid because rankings are subjective, different papers have different ranking systems, some unis will slip in and out of the top 50 on a regular basis, and if a uni isn't allowed to exist it has no means of getting into the top 50 in the first place.
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    in this thread, most people masturbate with their a-levels certificates
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    They shouldn't be recognised as universities, but instead as what they are: polytechnics.
    which is an artificial distinction since they have degree awarding powers including higher degrees, even in the days of CNAA the polys still designed their own courses

    these debates often exclude any consideration of the fact that there are |government and professional accreditation inspections of HEIs and the existence of external examiners.
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    You've all been trolled. HARD.
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    What an interesting debate.
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    (Original post by stopstartstall)
    Can the people saying that you shouldn't go to university with Cs please get a grip? I got BCC at A Level, went to a university (not an ex-poly) to do an academic subject (We count English Lit/American Studies (American Literature essentially) as academic, right?), got a 2:1 (would have got a First but had a seriously ****** module in the third year where lecturer was ill and no one taught us for six weeks and everyone got lower marks). I'm doing a Masters now, in line for a distinction, and been accepted to do my PhD at University of Birmingham (A Russel group uni shockhorrorgasp) next year. I'm respected by my lecturers, have given a helping hand in one or two undergrad seminars in my research area, working towards publishing a recent essay with the help of a lecturer and want to be a lecturer when I've finished my PhD.

    It's not all doom and gloom, people.

    Well done And good luck
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    I seriously object to some of the judgements and assumptions being thrown around here. Believe it or not, some people applying to/studying at lower ranked universities would like to broaden their knowledge and understanding of their chosen field, not simply party and get pissed for a few years. If a student of higher or lower academic ability is interested in a certain subject area they should have the opportunity to progress in their education to explore that subject, safe in the knowledge that nobody else has the right to say that their degree has little/no worth/should be "downgraded", or that their university is somehow less "deserving" of its status.

    Don't presume to tell genuinely hard-working students what they should be doing with their lives and careers, or that higher ranked universities are reserved for future "professionals". The original post absolutely reeks of snobbery and considering all the thousands of people eager to enter higher education every year, I don't see why entry to university should be restricted to some sort of academic "elite" in this way, simply because some individuals feel that their degrees are being "devalued".

    Ex-polys and other universities outside the "top 50" of overrated league tables are home to some well-regarded degree courses and they've also produced some very successful and able graduates, so a lot of the attitudes expressed here (and on TSR in general) seriously need to change. The claim that lower-achieving students should be limited to vocational training or apprenticeships is nauseating, as is the one that higher education is somehow not appropriate for them (honestly, who are we to judge?). I absolutely agree with almost every previous objection.
 
 
 
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