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    the AIDS issue is not helping them out, and plus when people call it evil to use a condom, well thats not at all helpful
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    It's not practical to just clear the debts of a poor country which is obviously having corrupt leaders. It would just make the condition of that country worse.
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    (Original post by Boo.)
    i wish i could understand the above :lolwut: (i'm stupidddddddddd, help me out)
    Right, for the past twenty years "globalization" has been handled very wrongly, heavily influenced by European and American special interests, notable in the farming sector.

    The west has forced African countries to liberalise their markets to allow in their exports in but has refused to do the same for agriculture, which is Africa's main export, in brief. So that means that the Africans have to buy European stuff but have nothing to sell in return.

    Other than that, the various IMF programs have focussed on excessively low inflation instead of promoting growth, so unemployment has remained high. The IMF is the International Monetary Fund, which is largely controlled by the US treasury and the special interests that control it ( including financial market gurus interested in keeping their wealth in the form of loans, which they refuse to cancel, and the agricultural sector that wants to keep subsidies high so it doesn't have to compete more effectively with Africa; the latter has resulted in massive overproduction in the EU atleast, which has then been dumped on Africa for next to no value, forcing local african farmers out of their livelihoods because they can't compete).
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    Think about yourself and let them worry about their situation... ??
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    Rich countries, like the UK, have debts too....
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    FACT: All Third World countries have corrupt leaders.
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    Is the OP for real or a troll?
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    (Original post by englishstudent09)
    Why should we ?? We built ourselves up from the ground. The ammount of money which is sent to 3rd world contries each year is an immense ammount. Think how much is raised due to charitable donations?? and what do you see for it ??? nothing... they might enjoy living the way they do, they dont know any different and life's tough - nothings free.
    Because you went to these countries, pillaged their natural resources and people before turning around and saying "Oh, this is how our economy works, from now on we expect you to compete in the same way despite the fact we've already taken most of the value your countries had for ourselves. What's that? Your natural resources have been depleted and you can't compete financially? Well I suppose we could lend you some money..."
    African countries only started gaining their independence around 60 years ago, are you honestly telling me that you didn't take more than what you've lent Africa during that time?
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    Paying off the debts will probably increase corruption and opportunities to mismanage money....what they need is a lot of good, wise leaders to really manage the system properly and govern the country without corruption. Once that is changed it is easier for aid to work.

    The problem is that most people that try to take this role or try and change something normally end up dead as it is in the interests of current leaders to just steal the money for themselves and let the country that they are governing suffer.

    To extensively learn about it more,
    read http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bottom-Billi.../dp/0195374630 its a very good book and explains a lot
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    (Original post by Absinth)
    Is the OP for real or a troll?
    Why would they be a troll? It's a perfectly legitimate belief to have.
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    (Original post by Boo.)
    why do you need to be paid back?
    NHS and other public services?

    Besides we send them $billion aid packages very regularly.
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    (Original post by cowsgoquack)
    why dont they stop fighting and become rich
    who's fighting? most are not, intact it because of fighting most rich counties became rich!
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    An enormous bung to their various corrupt governments probably won't make much difference to anything.
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    (Original post by TheMeister)
    NHS and other public services?

    Besides we send them $billion aid packages very regularly.
    Oh how ironic, wanting money to pay for the NHS while millions die from aids and preventable diseases :rofl:
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Right, for the past twenty years "globalization" has been handled very wrongly, heavily influenced by European and American special interests, notable in the farming sector.

    The west has forced African countries to liberalise their markets to allow their imports in but has refused to do the same for agriculture, which is Africa's main export, in brief. So that means that the Africans have to buy European stuff but have nothing to sell in return.
    Doubtless this scheme must have proved enormously profitable for the Europeans and Americans. Lending Africans money with which to buy our goods, not receiving any goods in return from said Africans we cleverly prevented from producing anything, and then cancelling the debt anyway! It's up there with the solar powered night-light in terms of fiendish cunning.
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    (Original post by Collingwood)
    Doubtless this scheme must have proved enormously profitable for the Europeans and Americans. Lending Africans money with which to buy our goods, not receiving any goods in return from said Africans we cleverly prevented from producing anything, and then cancelling the debt anyway! It's up there with the solar powered night-light in terms of fiendish cunning.
    Exactly. Africa has been effectively robbed of billions, and we wonder why they're stuck in a rut :rolleyes:

    I should probably expand on the concepts mentioned previously:

    Interest rates have been kept low, influenced by western financial interests, not wishing to see the value of their loans erode through inflation.
    Allowing in western exports has meant local producers, who haven't had the opportunity to begin to industrialized, can in no way compete effectively (which they would've with tarrifs that would be eased off, like they were in South Korea or Japan for example).
    So the west has stopped them industrializing, but my maintaining its agricultural tarrifs it has also stopped them being able to compete effectively abroad in agriculture (the EU and the US are the world's biggest agricultural markets). So not only can they not produce their own industrial goods, they can't export the agricultural goods they do produce. To add to this, i mentioned the dumping of overproduced goods from the EU and US which has effectively crushed local farmers by making them compete with .. free produce! Which is impossible, so they've had to scale back or shut down, so when that free produce is no longer available, guess what you get? That's right, mass famine :awesome:
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    (Original post by steed999)
    who's fighting? most are not, intact it because of fighting most rich counties became rich!
    Countries get rich by fighting other countries not within their own.
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Exactly. Africa has been effectively robbed of billions, and we wonder why they're stuck in a rut :rolleyes:
    I don't think you noticed the sarcasm. You're claiming we've done the following with Africa:

    1. Lent them paper money.

    2. Given them goods, in exchange for paper money.

    3. Prevented them from producing anything which we could exchange the paper money back for.

    4. Cancelled the debts on the paper money.

    In other words, we've given them billions of pounds worth of goods and services for free. If this sort of thing make the poor poorer, do you think charity makes the poor poorer?

    It seems more likely that Africa's problems are rather more internal: large scale corruption, lack of enforceable property rights and contract law, &c. make it almost impossible for foreigners to invest in what is a potentially very productive continent.
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    (Original post by Collingwood)
    I don't think you noticed the sarcasm. You're claiming we've done the following with Africa:

    1. Lent them paper money.

    2. Given them goods, in exchange for paper money.

    3. Prevented them from producing anything which we could exchange the paper money back for.

    4. Cancelled the debts on the paper money.

    In other words, we've given them billions of pounds worth of goods and services for free. If this sort of thing make the poor poorer, do you think charity makes the poor poorer?

    It seems more likely that Africa's problems are rather more internal: large scale corruption, lack of enforceable property rights and contract law, &c. make it almost impossible for foreigners to invest in what is a potentially very productive continent.
    No, because giving people free stuff means that they stop producing it locally.

    And "paper money"? :confused: ALL money is paper money

    Money has effectively been given to them under the premise of purchasing (often uncompetitively priced) western goods which don't really help them. Thus western industries have been sustained at the expense of African ones, which really should've been far far ahead of where they are now.

    If Africans had been able to control their own affairs instead of being meddled with by various international institutions that are tailored to serve western interests like the IMF, they would be far ahead of where they are now.

    Obviously local corruption has played a big part, but of Africa's dictators from Mugabe to Idi Amin, they have often had the backing of western governments.
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    (Original post by Boo.)
    let go of the third world debt? Wouldn't it help the poor countries to prosper (potentially)?
    I thought they did, every Christmas?

    Anyway, we never collect, do we, so does it really matter?
 
 
 
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