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On the question of the major issues facing the next generation:

Roger Scruton
philosopher and writer

The key challenge for philosophy in the 21st century is to rid itself of phony French nonsense of the Derrida, Deleuze, Badiou variety, to re-establish contact with the cultural and artistic traditions of our civilization, and to engage with the intellectual questions that really matter, concerning the nature and destiny of man.

In the next 18 years, society (i.e. Western society) should be addressing the issues of faith (whether, which and why), sex (whether, when and why not), food (what, why and where from), and children (whose and how many). If those questions are not addressed Western society will either die out or be Islamised: and which of those two fates is worse is also an issue that we should be addressing.
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I think this problem can be seen quite clearly by the different reaction of many Mulims and many Westerners. One thread on TSR was about how close many European countries like France are from Islamisation. In this thread many Westerners were acting as if it wasn't important and called anyone who was even critical of the idea, a "racist". But the reactions of many Muslims was completely different, many of them were saying things such as "God willing" (Insha'Allah) showing how they thought it a good idea to have more nations with Muslim majorities but if a Westerner had said such a thing about considering it "God's Will" to have more Christian majority nations, he would have been called a bigot.
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Islam is a poison in Western society.
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Boo ruddy hoo. Just because some idiot has said that the world isn't going to end. It might be nice to remember that for as long as Britain has been colonial we've been saying that "Islamic/Eastern/non-Western society will either die out or be Westernised".
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I'll be dead long before it has any significant impact so knock yourself out guys
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This is ridiculous. As a British person i see a lot more Roman catholics coming into our society cheifly from eastern Europe, perhaps we shouild worry about the roman catholic influence on future Britian?

Oh wait, we are only angry when its muslims. The muslims who immigrated here twenty years ago and have since been in decline.
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We will never be Islamised, Europeans like their alcohol too much.

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(Original post by TheJudge)
This is ridiculous. As a British person i see a lot more Roman catholics coming into our society cheifly from eastern Europe, perhaps we shouild worry about the roman catholic influence on future Britian?

Oh wait, we are only angry when its muslims. The muslims who immigrated here twenty years ago and have since been in decline.
Because we're talking about the Western world, not just the UK.
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(Original post by necessarily benevolent)
Islam is a poison in Western society.

^^ This basically. Call me racist/biggoted/whateveryouwant. I don't mind, I have my opinions We should keep ourselves to ourselves and they should do the same.
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Any kind of dominance of religious beliefs is a bad thing for any Western (or otherwise) society.
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We should keep ourselves to ourselves and they should do the same.
What? Who is "ourselves" and who is "they"?
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Because we're talking about the Western world, not just the UK.
Well each western nation is different and they source their immigrants from different regions.
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We will not be the Islamic Repubic of Great Britain. Get over it.

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There are more atheists than ever in the west :dontknow: this just seems like scaremongering to me.
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no... I'm pretty sure religion is going to die out soon enough... Some muslims tried to convert me in year 7 but they thankfully stopped being such ***** later on... One of them is now an atheist and the other gets pissed every other night but wears a headscarf whenever her mums around because she's pretty scared of her... Besides I think you're forgetting about the equal amount of kids in this country that are from a muslim background and are becoming westernised themselves... This thread is a farce... the world is getting westernised through globalisation... not the other way around!
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(Original post by TheJudge)
This is ridiculous. As a British person i see a lot more Roman catholics coming into our society cheifly from eastern Europe, perhaps we shouild worry about the roman catholic influence on future Britian?

Oh wait, we are only angry when its muslims. The muslims who immigrated here twenty years ago and have since been in decline.
Today's moderate Roman Catholicism is nowhere near as fundamentalist as today's "moderate" Islam.
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(Original post by MazalTov89)
We will not be the Islamic Repubic of Great Britain. Get over it.

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No, we will be the Islamic Republic of Kafirland.
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There are more atheists than ever in the west :dontknow: this just seems like scaremongering to me.
Exactly. Nothing new!
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Boo ruddy hoo. Just because some idiot has said that the world isn't going to end. It might be nice to remember that for as long as Britain has been colonial we've been saying that "Islamic/Eastern/non-Western society will either die out or be Westernised".
Even when that 'idiot' is a University Professor with a doctorate from Cambridge who has been called to the bar and is regarded as one of the top 100 Public Intellectuals in Britain?

Anyway your argument seems to me to be flawed, we are under a different set of circumstances to colonial times. Your either assert yourself as a global power or you have to negotiate your place in the world. Right now if the West does neither as professor Scruton says we face Islamification or the death of our civilization.
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