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    (Original post by MarcusTheEskimo)
    Like I said, utilitarian. Unlike you I don't believe in making blanket ideologies - "I am pro abortion so I must support abortion in every instance, all the time". No. Different cases call for different measures. In the case of a woman having consensual sex, full aware of the possibility of getting pregnancy, getting pregnant, then 10 weeks later thinking "I can't be arsed with this pregnancy, I'm going to kill the child", I am against abortion. I am for abortion if a woman was raped, the pregnancy test failed, and they look certain to die from giving birth.
    Ok, I just wondered what your reasons were... I just think that if you force a woman to have a child that she doesn't want, the child may not be cared for/loved and given the attention a child needs... I might not agree with their reason for an abortion, but overall I would rather not see women having children who are incapable of looking after themselves, yet alone a child... Or women who are in a violent relationship and too scared to bring a child into the world as they do not trust the person they're with and are not mentally in a position to have the responsibility... Or women who are too young and make a mistake or contraception failure... There's not actually many women who have abortions just as a form of contraception, they're the minority...
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    (Original post by 4_sophia)
    Ok, I just wondered what your reasons were... I just think that if you force a woman to have a child that she doesn't want, the child may not be cared for/loved and given the attention a child needs... I might not agree with their reason for an abortion, but overall I would rather not see women having children who are incapable of looking after themselves, yet alone a child... Or women who are in a violent relationship and too scared to bring a child into the world as they do not trust the person they're with and are not mentally in a position to have the responsibility... Or women who are too young and make a mistake or contraception failure... There's not actually many women who have abortions just as a form of contraception, they're the minority...
    Do you have proof for your last statement? There are normally 180,000 abortions a year in this country alone (that's 180,000 lives that could have been, not. Pretty much a small city. Every year.)

    It is widely recognised that the majority abortions are actually performed in response to social rather than medical problems. I was always unsure about abortion. Indeed, I thought about the exact reasons you state. But I realised the incredible overriding case for the ceasing of abortion in all but a select few extreme cases of health.

    There are countless people waiting to adopt a child, there are no reasons for a mother to kill their child just because they don't want it. Life should always take precedence over inconvenience.
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    (Original post by AntiMonarchist)
    Lots of lefties on here
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    I was thinking the same thing
    you know the the old saying

    if you are not a socialist before your aged 30 you have no heart
    if your still a socialist after 30 you have no brain
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    (Original post by Jared86)
    *list*
    Out of curiosity, how come you're for stem cell research but against abortion?
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    (Original post by MarcusTheEskimo)
    Do you have proof for your last statement? There are normally 180,000 abortions a year in this country alone (that's 180,000 lives that could have been, not. Pretty much a small city. Every year.)

    It is widely recognised that the majority abortions are actually performed in response to social rather than medical problems. I was always unsure about abortion. Indeed, I thought about the exact reasons you state. But I realised the incredible overriding case for the ceasing of abortion in all but a select few extreme cases of health.

    There are countless people waiting to adopt a child, there are no reasons for a mother to kill their child just because they don't want it. Life should always take precedence over inconvenience.
    If I'm honest, no... I'll accept what figures you give me... My bad...

    I know what you're saying about adoption, and I am all for adoption.. (I don't know if that makes me a hypocrite... :hmmm: ) However, it's the woman who has to carry the child who for me still has the right to choose... I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one...
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    (Original post by MarcusTheEskimo)
    There are normally 180,000 abortions a year in this country alone (that's 180,000 lives that could have been, not. Pretty much a small city. Every year.)
    Since 1967, around six million pregnancies have been aborted in the UK. Let's imagine for a moment that abortion had never been legalised in the UK, that's another six million people inhabiting this small island, relying on public services, encouraging global warming and accelerating natural resource depletion.

    (Original post by MarcusTheEskimo)
    There are countless people waiting to adopt a child, there are no reasons for a mother to kill their child just because they don't want it.
    That's right, there are countless people waiting to adopt a child; however, there also countless orphans waiting to be adopted.
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    (Original post by 4_sophia)
    However, it's the woman who has to carry the child who for me still has the right to choose... I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one...
    In fairness, we agree to disagree from the very start of the debate. What you're saying is, even though the child can be put up for adoption, you're still in favour of the killing of those unborn children because it's the mother's choice. It's exactly this kind of indifferent, status-quo loving outlook which results in abortion being so prevalent in our society. I choose life, think what you will.
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    (Original post by Bassmonkey)
    Out of curiosity, how come you're for stem cell research but against abortion?


    Stem cell research is a big area which involves more than just fetal/embryonic stem cell research, i am against that as it happens.

    Stem cells can come from bone marrow, blood all types of different sources.
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    [QUOTE=EmJay]Since 1967, around six million pregnancies have been aborted in the UK. Let's imagine for a moment that abortion had never been legalised in the UK, that's another six million people inhabiting this small island, relying on public services, encouraging global warming and accelerating natural resource depletion.


    Just out of interest how many immigrants have come into the UK since 1967.

    Just think out of that 6 million how many might have gone on to become doctors, geniuses, artists, football legends, engineers, scientists.

    One of those might have cured cancer or aids. What a waste of life.
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    (Original post by Jared86)
    Stem cell research is a big area which involves more than just fetal/embryonic stem cell research, i am against that as it happens.

    Stem cells can come from bone marrow, blood all types of different sources.
    Ah, fair enough! Being against abortion and embryonic stem cell research does seem to go hand in hand, for obvious reasons I guess.
 
 
 
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