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    (Original post by Haeron)
    . Also, he probably risks severe mental health problems (including depression and suicide) should this punishment go through.
    But you could argue that that could happen to anyone so you can't really use that as an excuse.
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    He's not exempt from the law, his and many's point of view is that he should go to court here, and I'd guess one of the arguments due to Asperger's is because the condition makes it extremely difficult to socialise or fit in anywhere else, so to be away from home in a hostile area like prison is basically psychological torture, whereas being put in a local prison in a special unit where he can be visited by relatives/friends is punishment for the crimes, without so much unneccesary stress.
    It'd be like making people in wheelchairs pick up litter as community service rather than some other form of community service (I'm not actually sure what else is included in community service).
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    But you could argue that that could happen to anyone so you can't really use that as an excuse.
    Yes, but the Asperger's syndrome makes it more likely. On the other hand, there can be different levels of asperger's but I'm sure his is a more severe case than is commonly seen, otherwise there wouldn't be such a fuss (in fact I think it's difficult to even diagnose unless it's severe).
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    But you could argue that that could happen to anyone so you can't really use that as an excuse.
    Highly increased chances with AS.
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    Tbh they should be grateful it was him that managed to hack their system so they could fix it rather than it being Al Qaeda.
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    I think i'm probably going to be the only one who agrees with this.

    Why should he be allowed to get away with it just because he has aspergers? If it was someone else without a disability you would probably all be saying that he should face trial over there, so why should it be any different for him?
    since when has the fact he has aspergers been the main argument here.
    people arent saying "bless lets let him go free"
    the whole point is we want him to have a fair trial here rather than a bias one in america
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    This is an absolute disgrace.

    This guy is not the type you want to send to a US prison.

    He's got AS, meaning that he probably wasn't really thinking about the consequences. I doubt very much there was malicious intent. The prison system, is going to mess him up there. And if the USA put him away for 70 years, that would be insane, considering he didn't even hurt anyone. Murderers only get 25.
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    (Original post by 1721)
    since when has the fact he has aspergers been the main argument here.
    people arent saying "bless lets let him go free"
    the whole point is we want him to have a fair trial here rather than a bias one in america
    But if it was someone without aspergers they would have to face trial in America and he shouldn't get special treatment because of it.

    (Original post by benwellsday)
    being put in a local prison in a special unit where he can be visited by relatives/friends
    Why should he get that? Special treatment yet again.
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    Are you guys reading the same article I am??

    This guy hacked into US Navy and Nasa computers FFS, he should be tried and sentenced in the States. An analogy to his case would be to state that all the 911 planners should be tried in Afghanistan ^^.

    edit - He will get what he deserves in the US legal system, whether that be 70 years in prison or 10 years in a low security prison / health clinic.
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    But if it was someone without aspergers they would have to face trial in America and he shouldn't get special treatment because of it.
    no i would want him to be trialled here regardless of his illness
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    But if it was someone without aspergers they would have to face trial in America and he shouldn't get special treatment because of it.
    I'd disagree with it being anyone else too. I don't think anyone should be sent to the US for trial when if they have done anything wrong at all, it was done whilst they were in the UK.

    If a person commits a crime whilst in the UK, then they stand trial in the UK. Simple as that.
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    (Original post by RK)
    Terrible news.

    Good thing is that it looks like he can still appeal. Just hope that he wins the appeal and can stand trial here in the UK.

    It's bad for two reasons if he is sent to the US - one that is sets a dangerous precident for what you do online - do something online from your own home and it opens the door for any country in the world who doesn't like what you do or any country in which a computer you interact with is located to ask for you to be sent to them for trial.

    The other is that is I seriously doubt his disability/problems will be fairly considered and looked in to at a trial in the US. Not to mention the whole idea of being sent over there will be seriously bad for him.
    I'm pretty sure serious hackers can get extradited anyway, the ones that run massive botnets and such, especially if they attack government websites.

    That's why you have so many eastern European hackers (belarus, ukraine, russia) with weak extraditition treaties and weak precedents (and the whole lack of economic opportunity stuff).
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    (Original post by RK)
    I'd disagree with it being anyone else too. I don't think anyone should be sent to the US for trial when if they have done anything wrong at all, it was done whilst they were in the UK.

    If a person commits a crime whilst in the UK, then they stand trial in the UK. Simple as that.
    Why would any country not want to prosecute someone who infiltrated top secret defense information?? Would you trust Nigeria to sentence a Nigerian who hacked into the UK's Ministry of Defense?? That sort of crime would be considered to be in the States anyway because it was a US website - technically there was no difference between him hacking the website and him walking into the Pentagon or Langley.
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    I think i'm probably going to be the only one who agrees with this.

    Why should he be allowed to get away with it just because he has aspergers? If it was someone else without a disability you would probably all be saying that he should face trial over there, so why should it be any different for him?
    Because it's a totally disproportionate punishment for the crime, for someone with extenuating circumstances. He never had any malicious intent. In fact the only thing that he did change was leave the message: "I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels." The thing is, he never disrupted anything. His Aspergers caused him to have an obsessive curiosity into finding evidence of UFOs.

    Over here, he'd stand a maximum sentence of 5 years, which would be probably eligible for parole in 18 months because he pleaded guilty, which he'd serve either in a special mental health unit, or in a Category C or D prison. Over there he'd be put in a supermax prison with murderers and rapists for 70 years, with no support for his condition.
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    So all disabled people should be exempt from the law just because their take on things are different to others? Doesn't sound very fair to me.
    You are reacting without understanding. Other disabilities would not cause removal from your support structure to be terrible torture as it would be for an aspergers sufferer.

    For him, extradition would be far worse than for people without aspergers.
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    (Original post by Jadel_L)
    Why should he get that? Special treatment yet again.
    Don't you expect "special treatment" for people that have mental disabilities? It does seem like a big difference, but considering the other arguments against the sentence such as the fact he didn't really do anything malicious, and there's no reason he can't be trialed over here (I'd of thought there could be arrangements to even have an American legal team, but I see no reason, if they can't trust our legal system to punish accordingly then why should we trust them with our citizens?)

    And as others have said, even without the condition the possible sentence is disproportionate, 70 years is nearly 3 times what a murderer can get (25 years I think). In America, embarassing the government is worth 2.8 peoples lives.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Because it's a totally disproportionate punishment for the crime, for someone with extenuating circumstances. He never had any malicious intent. In fact the only thing that he did change was leave the message: "I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels." The thing is, he never disrupted anything. His Aspergers caused him to have an obsessive curiosity into finding evidence of UFOs.

    Over here, he'd stand a maximum sentence of 5 years, which would be probably eligible for parole in 18 months because he pleaded guilty, which he'd serve either in a special mental health unit, or in a Category C or D prison. Over there he'd be put in a supermax prison with murderers and rapists for 70 years, with no support for his condition.
    The part in bold suggests that he was willing to do it again, it doesn't matter if he meant it as a joke or not.

    I have never said i agree with the punishment, just the fact that he should stand trial over there. I agree that 70 years is a bit much but i think you are wrong in saying that he won't get support for his aspergers. They do know what it is and how to deal with it.
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    The problem with the extradition is that it's a one way street. UK people can be ordered over by US for trial even if the US only have suspicion but for the UK to get a US person they need proof of crime etc beczause of their amendments.
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    (Original post by lewis132)
    The problem with the extradition is that it's a one way street. UK people can be ordered over by US for trial even if the US only have suspicion but for the UK to get a US person they need proof of crime etc beczause of their amendments.
    And this guy pleaded guilty so the US has proof of crime, what is your point??
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    (Original post by dn013)
    Why would any country not want to prosecute someone who infiltrated top secret defense information?? Would you trust Nigeria to sentence a Nigerian who hacked into the UK's Ministry of Defense?? That sort of crime would be considered to be in the States anyway because it was a US website - technically there was no difference between him hacking the website and him walking into the Pentagon or Langley.
    OK, then just make sure you're up on your Canadian law before using TSR then, as if you break Canadian law when using TSR, you risk being sent there if they ask for you, as technically the webiste is in Canada.
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    I'm currently reading this story in the Guardian. Article:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...?commentpage=3
 
 
 
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