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    (Original post by Ellsbells3032)
    People don't cut them off cos they think it looks better...they do it because of the medicial and social benifits that circumcision entails. Having written a massive thesis on the reasons behind it my research showed not once did people say "it looks prettier" as a reason for circumcising their child.

    Its not equivilant to cutting off someones arm but more like an inevasive apendectomy. Foreskin is not needed for anything, not having one does not have any detrimental effect on them.

    And no boys i know (almost all who have been circumcised) moan about feeling mutilated. In fact they are determined on having their own children undergo it.
    Benefits enjoyed by males who are intact (not circumcised)
    1. Full penis length and circumference. The "prepuce" (foreskin) constitutes 50% or more of the skin system of the penis [1]. If unfolded and spread flat, the average adult foreskin measures 60-90 square centimeters (10-14 square inches) [2], or about the size of an index card [see illustration]. The foreskin creates a visibly longer penis, especially when the foreskin extends beyond the head of the penis. Also, the double-layered tissue of the foreskin engorges with blood during erection and creates a visibly and sensually thicker shaft and glans.When the engorged foreskin retracts behind the coronal ridge of the glans, it often creates a wider and more pronounced "ridge" that many partners find especially stimulating during penetrative intercourse. The circumcised penis appears truncated and thinner than a full-sized intact penis.
    2. Protection. The sleeve of tissue known as the foreskin normally covers the glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing (keratinization), and environmental contaminants. The glans is intended by nature to be a protected internal organ, like the female clitoris [see illustration]. The effect of an exposed glans and resulting keratinization on human sexual response has never been studied. Increasing reports by circumcised men indicate that keratinization causes a loss of sexual sensation, pleasure and fulfillment [3, 4].
    3. Ridged bands. The inner foreskin contains bands of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue [1]. They constitute a primary erogenous zone of the human penis and are important for realizing the fullness and intensity of sexual response [5].
    4. Gliding action. The foreskin is the only moving part of the penis. During any sexual activity, the foreskin and glans work in unison; their mutual interaction creates a complete sexual response. In heterosexual intercourse, the non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself within the vagina facilitates smooth and pleasurable intercourse for both partners [http://www.noharmm.org/images/Blue_ArrowD096.gifsee illustration]. Without this gliding action, the corona of the circumcised penis can function as a one-way valve, dragging vaginal lubricants out into the drying air and making artificial lubricants essential for non-painful intercourse [6].
    5. Specialized sensory tissue. In addition to the "ridged bands" mentioned above, thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors (Meissner’s corpuscles) constitute the most important sensory component of the penis [1]. The foreskin contains branches of the dorsal nerve and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which are capable of sensing slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture [7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12].
    6. The frenulum. This is a highly nerve-laden web of tissue that tethers the inner foreskin to the underside of the glans [see photo]. It is similar to the frenula found under the tongue, the upper lip and the clitoral hood (female foreskin). For many intact men, the penile frenulum is a male "G-spot" that is highly pleasurable when repeatedly stretched and relaxed during sexual activity [13]. Depending on the surgical method used, the frenulum is partially to completely destroyed by circumcision.
    7. Proper blood flow. The foreskin contains several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this rich vascularization interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development [1].
    8. Immunological defense. The soft mucosa of the inner foreskin produces plasma cells, which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies, and antibacterial and antiviral proteins [7, 14], such as the pathogen-killing enzyme called lysozyme [15 and http://www.noharmm.org/images/Blue_ArrowD096.gifsee explanation]. All of the human mucosa (the linings of the mouth, eyelids, vagina, foreskin and anus) are the body's first line of defense against disease. This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases[16-21].
    9. Langerhans cells. These specialized epithelial cells are a component of the immune system and may play a role in protecting the penis from sexually transmitted infections such as HIV (AIDS) [http://www.noharmm.org/images/Blue_ArrowD096.gifsee explanation and 14-16, 18].
    10. Proper lymph flow. The foreskin contains lymphatic vessels, which are necessary for proper lymph flow and immunological functioning.
    11. Estrogen receptors. The foreskin contains estrogen receptors, whose purpose is not yet fully understood and needs further study [22].
    12. Apocrine glands. These glands produce pheromones, nature’s invisible yet compelling signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexual behavior has never been studied [23].
    13. Sebaceous glands. The oils produced by these glands lubricate and moisturize the foreskin and glans, so that the two structures function together smoothly.
    14. Dartos fascia. This is a smooth muscle sheath that underlies the scrotum, the entire penis and the tip of the foreskin. It is necessary for proper temperature regulation of the genitals (causing these structures to elongate in the heat and shrink in the cold). Approximately half of the Dartos fascia is destroyed by circumcision [7].
    15. Natural texture and coloration of the glans. In the intact penis, the glans normally appears moist, shiney, and pinkish-red to dark purple. These visual cues often attract and excite a sexual partner. The glans of a circumcised penis is dry, rough and often light pink to bluish-gray in color [see photos].
    16. Zero risk of serious infection or surgical injury. Unfortunate boys who suffer botched circumcisions lose part or all of their penis from surgical mishap or subsequent infection. They are often "sexually reassigned" by castration and "transgender surgery." They are relegated to a life of hormone therapy and are compelled to live their lives as pseudo-females, the success of which has never been fully assessed [24-46].
    17. Zero risk of death from surgery. Every year boy die from the complications of circumcision, a fact that the American circumcision industry ignores, obscures, or downplays [29-31].
    18. Zero risk of delayed or diminished maternal bonding. Circumcision, even if anesthesia is used, causes unavoidable operative trauma and post-operative pain that has been shown to disrupt bonding with the mother, which in turn interferes with the first developmental task of every human, that of trust (trust in human contact, in personal safety, etc) [47-51].
    19. Electromagnetic "cross-communication." Anecdotal reports suggest that, without the mucosa of its foreskin, the penis lacks the capacity for the subtle electromagentic energy transfer that occurs during contact between two mucous membranes (the vaginal walls and the exposed inner lining of the foreskin). Such contact contributes to the full experience of sexual pleasure. These reports deserve further scientific study.
    20. The foreskin is necessary for optimal health and well-being of the male, as well as contributing to fulfillment
    in his sexual relationships.



    Source: http://www.noharmm.org/advantage.htm
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    Has'nt it been proved that men who are not circumsised have a cleaner penis? and are infact less prone to catch an STD etc??
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    I am quite aware of that website having written an entire thesis on circumcision and found it very very biased.

    what I found was that men rarely did feel they suffer from sexual deficiancies when circumcised and having a foreskin can result in many other medical complications and increased risks of cancer as well as increased risk of urinary tract and other infections

    Also being circumcised is linked to lower rates of STDs and HIV infections
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    try this: http://www.circinfo.net/pdfs/GFM-EN.pdf also fairly biased but in the other way. but you have to read both to get an even picture
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    Look I'm sorry but, all men watch PORN...... I honestly can't remember the last porno i watched where the male was not circumcised......
    I actually know a friend who got dumped because she thought his **** was disgusting.... Yes, she actually told him.
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    I've never been with a circumcised man so I'm indifferent I guess.
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    Great sex life you must have if you think everything in porn is realistic!
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    I am circumcised. I am glad I am circumcised.

    I have NEVER known of or heard a guy complain about being circumcised. On the other side, I have heard many guys complain about a problem with their foreskin.

    /debate

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    (Original post by ozzyoscy)
    I am circumcised. I am glad I am circumcised.

    I have NEVER known of or heard a guy complain about being circumcised. On the other side, I have heard many guys complain about a problem with their foreskin.

    /debate

    Are you really circumcised ? So you don't have a big dirty ant eating cheese factory ?
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    (Original post by Ellsbells3032)
    try this: http://www.circinfo.net/pdfs/GFM-EN.pdf also fairly biased but in the other way. but you have to read both to get an even picture
    Lets say you really loved a guy but he had an ant-eating elephant trunk,hehe,would you sleep with him ?
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    Ive only known circumsised and from looking at both circumcised looks a hell of alot better than un circumcised ones. The cleanliness issue is also something that is gd, but it just depends on how clean the guy keeps it cicumcised or not.
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    (Original post by Respect4Acting)
    Look I'm sorry but, all men watch PORN...... I honestly can't remember the last porno i watched where the male was not circumcised......
    I actually know a friend who got dumped because she thought his **** was disgusting.... Yes, she actually told him.
    I'm sure there's more uncircumcised men so if she thinks it's disgusting then she better get ready for many more.

    Also, what the hell are you on about? Either you watch some weird porn or I don't know - I watch my fair share of porn and I can tell you that there are many with their dicks still intact.
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    Circumcision for cosmetic reasons is pretty pathetic.

    There would be a complete s**tstorm if a thread was started saying how all men prefer women with their labias surgically reduced (known as a 'designer vagina').
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Lets say you really loved a guy but he had an ant-eating elephant trunk,hehe,would you sleep with him ?
    Since I'm jewish its generally not an issue since all the guys i'd date are jewish and therefore circumcised
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I agree, should really be down to personal preference. As far as personal experience goes, my boyfriend is uncircumcised and he is no less clean than any of the other guys i've been with. The only difference I have noticed is that circumcised men seem to be able to 'keep going' as it were for longer without stopping or slowing or changing things up a bit(perhaps they are less sensitive?)...but this was not a very good experience for me as it was simply painful and boring. I love my boyfriend's penis and just think it's the best but then, I am biased
    tbh, i think slightly less sensitivity would be okay for me cause i don't exactly come after just like 2 mins if you get what i mean:o:
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    (Original post by kai4321)
    I'm sure there's more uncircumcised men so if she thinks it's disgusting then she better get ready for many more.

    Also, what the hell are you on about? Either you watch some weird porn or I don't know - I watch my fair share of porn and I can tell you that there are many with their dicks still intact.
    stop trying to defend your kind of uncircumcised.........

    AND, name me 3 Major porn stars who are uncircumcised..... so i can do the research and confirm it's true. looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooool, because i honestly don't see them...
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    (Original post by Respect4Acting)
    stop trying to defend your kind of uncircumcised.........

    AND, name me 3 Major porn stars who are uncircumcised..... so i can do the research and confirm it's true. looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooool, because i honestly don't see them...
    I'll be honest with you - when I look up porn I look up famous gals, not guys. The guy could be whoever, that's the least of my worries - I'm concentrating FAR MORE on the girl.
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    (Original post by Ellsbells3032)
    And no boys i know (almost all who have been circumcised) moan about feeling mutilated. In fact they are determined on having their own children undergo it.
    Well that's presumably because the boys you know (being Jewish) believe it's G-d's plan that they should be circumcised! No wonder they're happy with it. And if that's what they believe, then fine: but surely they should be entitled to make the choice for themselves as adults, rather than have it made for them by their parents? Religious faith is a pretty personal thing, you know ...

    You still haven't answered the point. If a guy who was circumcised in infancy grew up to be unhappy with it, and wished it had never been done, what would you say to him? "Tough mate, it wasn't your decision to make, it was your parents'"? It's his body, you know ...
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    (Original post by Tele)
    Well that's presumably because the boys you know (being Jewish) believe it's G-d's plan that they should be circumcised! No wonder they're happy with it. And if that's what they believe, then fine: but surely they should be entitled to make the choice for themselves as adults, rather than have it made for them by their parents? Religious faith is a pretty personal thing, you know ...

    You still haven't answered the point. If a guy who was circumcised in infancy grew up to be unhappy with it, and wished it had never been done, what would you say to him? "Tough mate, it wasn't your decision to make, it was your parents'"? It's his body, you know ...
    You never asked me that question before. I have no idea what I would say in that situation because I've never known it to happen. People don't just accept it was g-d's will most of them just prefer it that way or don't see how it makes much difference in their lives.

    Its not like cutting off your arm, it really doesn't make that much differnece in your life to be fair. And I don't think you should wait until you are older because it is then far more traumatic for the boy or man and you could still chose to do it and then regret it even if done when older.
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    OK, to be fair, I phrased it as a rhetorical question, so maybe it wasn't obvious. But I did say, earlier in the discussion, in reply to your comments:

    (Original post by Tele)
    They're [ie. parents] entitled to make decisions on your behalf, but only for your health and welfare! Not for their own personal cultural or religious preference. At the end of the day, it's your body, not theirs, and you've got to spend the rest of your life living in it!
    It's all very well for you to say that it doesn't make much difference. But to some men, it really does make a difference. It's really quite subjective, people have very strong views either way. Which is precisely why it should be left to each individual to decide for themselves!

    I don't accept your argument that childhood circumcision is better because it avoids the trauma/discomfort of adult circumcision. An uncircumcised adult who wants to get circumcised can always choose to go through with the operation, and if he wants it badly enough, he'll be happy to put up with the inconvenience. (I know people who have had the op as adults, and they haven't found it too traumatic.)

    On the other hand, a circumcised adult who wishes they were uncircumcised can't ever reverse the operation.

    The irreversibility of circumcision is a major flaw in your argument.
 
 
 
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