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Hey all,

I'm just wondering, I've noticed that, as a whole (obviously individuals have varying degrees of "patriotism" ) countries such as Wales and Scotland are so much more nationalistic and patriotic than England. I recently got back from Wales and you see Welsh flags, on dedicated flagpoles in people's houses - and all my welsh friends have "Cymru" stickers on their car windows and little welsh flag stickers etc.

I'm not saying patriotism is either good or bad, I'm just wondering what makes one country more "nationalistic" than another, especially considering our close geographic and cultural backgrounds.
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Their patiotism is heightened because they don't have national autonomy, and remain part of Great Britain. They express their cultural solidarity in the form of patriotism.
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The general rule of thumb is smaller countries = more patriotic.
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Their patiotism is heightened because they don't have national autonomy, and remain part of Great Britain. They express their cultural solidarity in the form of patriotism.
exactly.
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Hey all,

I'm just wondering, I've noticed that, as a whole (obviously individuals have varying degrees of "patriotism" ) countries such as Wales and Scotland are so much more nationalistic and patriotic than England. I recently got back from Wales and you see Welsh flags, on dedicated flagpoles in people's houses - and all my welsh friends have "Cymru" stickers on their car windows and little welsh flag stickers etc.

I'm not saying patriotism is either good or bad, I'm just wondering what makes one country more "nationalistic" than another, especially considering our close geographic and cultural backgrounds.
its because they get their own channel on the bbc so they think theyre world players
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Because they're poor. :p:
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Welsh and Scottish people's sense of national identity has been increased due to their conflicts with England in the past. In the later medieval period Scotland gained an increased sense of national identity as a direct result of its people having a shared experience in confronting England.

Wales is a similar, but there is less desire for independence there as Wales and Welsh culture was generally more smoothly integrated into the Kingdom of England than was the case in Scotland. It was also subjected before it could develop a strong sense of nationhood (late 1200s) whereas Scotland was not joined to the English crown until 1707.

So the shared experience of being attacked by England lead to the development of a stronger sense of patriotism amongst the Welsh and Scots. This strength of feeling has carried through into modern times. England has never been in a similar situation; it has not been successfully invaded since 1066.

This is just one factor in the development of Welsh/Scottish national identity, but I think it is an important one.
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Cos Scotland is AWSOME!!! Dont know bout wales though...
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Because if you like England, you're a racist nationalist who deserves to be shot.

Appreciating cultures such as Arab cultures or African countries, which are obviously much more sophisticated and equal than ours, however, is to be encouraged wherever possible.
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Because they're socialist, nationalist pig dogs :yes: :eek3:
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(Original post by |>|Imagine|<|)
Hey all,

I'm just wondering, I've noticed that, as a whole (obviously individuals have varying degrees of "patriotism" ) countries such as Wales and Scotland are so much more nationalistic and patriotic than England. I recently got back from Wales and you see Welsh flags, on dedicated flagpoles in people's houses - and all my welsh friends have "Cymru" stickers on their car windows and little welsh flag stickers etc.

I'm not saying patriotism is either good or bad, I'm just wondering what makes one country more "nationalistic" than another, especially considering our close geographic and cultural backgrounds.
Because local patriotism isn't as threatening as national patriotism, and the English still largely equate Englishness and Britishness as being roughly the same thing.

When they stop doing that - which they might, one day - then English patriotism will probably become more commonplace. Scottish and Welsh people can do it because Scottishness and Welshness is quite so obviously local and distinct from Britishness.

That said, I'm not sure I agree with your premise. I was in England during the world cup, and houses were decorated with St George's crosses and so forth everywhere. That would never happen in Scotland. In fact, when I came up to Scotland, I saw quite a few St George's flags around too! Either way, you should count yourself lucky. The less flag-on-a-white-van style patriotism the better as far as I'm concerned.

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Scotland was not joined to the English crown until 1707.
History fail.
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Smaller population, history of oppression, more easily definable culture etc. I reckon Scotland is more patriotic partly because very few Scots live in the borderlands with England, whereas a large chunk of Wales' population lives in areas near to England - leading to much more cultural integration.
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Eh? England are one of the most patriotic nations in the world. Maybe the most patriotic.
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Welsh and Scottish people's sense of national identity has been increased due to their conflicts with England in the past. In the later medieval period Scotland gained an increased sense of national identity as a direct result of its people having a shared experience in confronting England.

Wales is a similar, but there is less desire for independence there as Wales and Welsh culture was generally more smoothly integrated into the Kingdom of England than was the case in Scotland. It was also subjected before it could develop a strong sense of nationhood (late 1200s) whereas Scotland was not joined to the English crown until 1707.

So the shared experience of being attacked by England lead to the development of a stronger sense of patriotism amongst the Welsh and Scots. This strength of feeling has carried through into modern times. England has never been in a similar situation; it has not been successfully invaded since 1066.

This is just one factor in the development of Welsh/Scottish national identity, but I think it is an important one.
Scotland didn't "join the English throne". They were united. Hence the United Kingdom. And it wasn't 1707 it was 100 years before that. 1707 was the joining of the countries. If your going to say something don't speak ****.
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Because if you like England, you're a racist nationalist who deserves to be shot.

Appreciating cultures such as Arab cultures or African countries, which are obviously much more sophisticated and equal than ours, however, is to be encouraged wherever possible.
this pretty much, you get people asked to take their flags down because they are "offending" minorities, pathetic.
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They are allowed to be, try flying a st georges flat and see how long it takes before the police tell you to take it down for offending people
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this pretty much, you get people asked to take their flags down because they are "offending" minorities, pathetic.
too true.
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Scotland didn't "join the English throne". They were united. Hence the United Kingdom. And it wasn't 1707 it was 100 years before that. 1707 was the joining of the countries. If your going to say something don't speak ****.
No it wasn't, from 1606 to 1707 the Kings of what would become the UK ruled as King of England and King of Scotland, the two countries were in a personal union in the form of the monarch. They were formally united in 1707.

An interesting side fact to this is that the legislation that merged the two crowns and created the United Kingdom also called for Scotland to be renamed 'North Britain' and England to be renamed 'South Britain'. Neither name really took hold but technically it's still British legislation.
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because england is a dump?

no no, i'm joking.. it's the same over here. i know a lot of very patriotic manx people..
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