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    Its not racist, its realistic. People should be allowed depending on what skills they can offer this country cos there's not room for every waif and stray from such far off lands to move here just cos they like the sound of it.
    My mate is a brickie and is planning on moving to Australia and they won't let him in until he's paid up £2000 for his work to be assessed and can only move if its up to scratch.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    We need far stricter limits on immigration than the ones the government are proposing.
    Agreed. In fact, I agree so much that I think that if immigration controls are so great for the country, they must be at least as good for each town. Nottingham should have immigration controls to keep you outsiders out. Or parts of Nottingham, like Basford, should have immigration controls. Or just streets should have. Can't have people coming here mooching off local services, undermining Nottingham culture with their Brummy or Southerner habits, and stealing jobs from Nottinghamians.
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    No, it isn't.

    My only qualm with the type of people being let in is that there are a large proportion of muslims, and as a result, islamic culture is more prevalent than should be tolerated in a western democracy.

    But that's not because they're immigrant muslims. I'm just as opposed to those of islamic culture who were born here.

    My issue with immigration is that we only live on a small island with a finite quantity of resources. The more people, the less resources for the population on the island, and the lesser the quality of life.

    We need less people in the country. Whether that means stopping immigrants coming in, or kicking our own citizens out if they aren't worth keeping, I really don't mind. I don't mind multiculturism as long as the cultures are compatible and promote positive values.

    So in conclusion, we have a population problem, and immigration is only a small piece of the pie. We also have a culture problem, and again, immigration is only a small piece of the pie.

    I say we seal the border from incoming, and make the only transfer outgoing. I don't mind if the outgoing are immigrants or natives, just as long as they're not worth keeping, I'm happy.
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    (Original post by bigman_ben)
    Its not racist, its realistic. People should be allowed depending on what skills they can offer this country cos there's not room for every waif and stray from such far off lands to move here just cos they like the sound of it.
    My mate is a brickie and is planning on moving to Australia and they won't let him in until he's paid up £2000 for his work to be assessed and can only move if its up to scratch.
    In a free market economy if the market clears at a particular price, then people plainly need your labour enough to pay that price. If it doesn't, then they don't.

    Under this points system this free market process is not allowed. Instead some sort of socialist planning system underwhich the government decides when more of a particular skill is needed or less. How is it supposed to know when more is needed, or when less is? Socialism didn't ensure the co-ordination of supply to meet demand in the USSR, or in the NHS, so why would it work here?

    (Incidentally, this type of points system is what the Libertarian Party also support)
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    (Original post by Richard_A_Garner)
    In a free market economy if the market clears at a particular price, then people plainly need your labour enough to pay that price. If it doesn't, then they don't.

    Under this points system this free market process is not allowed. Instead some sort of socialist planning system underwhich the government decides when more of a particular skill is needed or less. How is it supposed to know when more is needed, or when less is? Socialism didn't ensure the co-ordination of supply to meet demand in the USSR, or in the NHS, so why would it work here?

    (Incidentally, this type of points system is what the Libertarian Party also support)
    You've lost me there I'm afraid!
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    No, I don't think it's racist at all, as long as you're not discriminating against any particular race. I think the laws should be much clearer and stricter concerning immigration and I think that if we got rid of the "it's racist to have stricter limits on immigration" attitude (even though, from this thread, very few, if any people actually hold this opinion) then the government would feel more comfortable with introducing and imposing stricter limits, without fearing a public backlash.
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    If it is, then I'm also racist... to all races.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    No, it isn't.

    My only qualm with the type of people being let in is that there are a large proportion of muslims, and as a result, islamic culture is more prevalent than should be tolerated in a western democracy.

    But that's not because they're immigrant muslims. I'm just as opposed to those of islamic culture who were born here.

    My issue with immigration is that we only live on a small island with a finite quantity of resources. The more people, the less resources for the population on the island, and the lesser the quality of life.

    We need less people in the country. Whether that means stopping immigrants coming in, or kicking our own citizens out if they aren't worth keeping, I really don't mind. I don't mind multiculturism as long as the cultures are compatible and promote positive values.

    So in conclusion, we have a population problem, and immigration is only a small piece of the pie. We also have a culture problem, and again, immigration is only a small piece of the pie.

    I say we seal the border from incoming, and make the only transfer outgoing. I don't mind if the outgoing are immigrants or natives, just as long as they're not worth keeping, I'm happy.
    What if they are worth keeping? Should we kidnap them? :p:
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    (Original post by EskimoJo)
    What if they are worth keeping? Should we kidnap them? :p:
    Nah, I wouldn't suggest that. If someone leaves, then there's always plenty of immigrants willing to fill that space, and some of them will be as worth having as the person who left, sometimes more worth having.
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    I believe no...

    ... being brought up to be racist and yet having a multi-cultural family may sound weird, but it does broader you're thoughts

    I agree on the "harder to gain access" is a good option, but lets not forget, Britain is full of 'bums' that will squat away all day, letting everybody's taxes pay for them, and yet have the stupidity to be a racist.

    I believe being a patriot is getting harder and harder in England, and many people are blaming it on the new multi-cultural face that the UK (mainly England) has. I would consider it true, that many 'ethnic minorities' will indeed press down our patriotism. This is why, i think that many people revert to extreme groups such as the BNP, to make people hear their voice.

    However, my final point would be, without all the migrants from Poland and other Eastern Europe countries, our econamy would be deprived.

    PS. Would you rather have Bob building your conservatory, asking for spare parts, more money, and taking 4years to build. Or Vladamir who always turns up on time, does it for 50% cheaper, and will build you an extension for £15? - Mock the Week
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Nah, I wouldn't suggest that. If someone leaves, then there's always plenty of immigrants willing to fill that space, and some of them will be as worth having as the person who left, sometimes more worth having.
    But your system is one way.
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    (Original post by bigman_ben)
    You've lost me there I'm afraid!
    Simply, how is the government supposed to know if more plumbers, or doctors, or taxi drivers are needed? A points system, under which the government admits immigrants if they have skills that are needed, presumes that government is in a position to be able to tell when people need more people with certain skills and when they don't. How is the government supposed to be able to do this?

    In a free market, it the market clears at a certain price, then people must have needed those skills enough to pay that price. If it doesn't, then those left unemployed are not needed enough to be worth that price. The problem solves itself automatically. But immigration controls like those in Australia or Canada, with a points system that allows a government to some how decide whether people with certain skills are needed replace the free market with a form of central planning. The result is inevitable: That they will either undersupply some skill set (which is the most likely option, given pressure for protectionism) or oversupply them. It can't work as well as a free market.
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    In my opinion, allow whoever you like to enter as long as they can speak English fluently and have skills. I don't want any more Muslim extremists, thanks. :yes:
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    (Original post by sango)
    No it is not racist as long as you don't discriminate against certain races on purpose. However, I do hate it when immigrants come here and then refuse to blend into the culture, instead opting to create a microcosm of what their country is like. It would really help if they were to learn English and at least adopt some form of British identity. If you want to live in this country then act like you are living in this country. But so says the boy waving the Nigerian flag :holmes:

    Agree with sango 100%. Plus its totally cool to be proud of your roots, but you should be proud of your new country too, those things don't contradict.

    Basically its been a free for all reecently, and when Turkey joins the EU expect a huge influx of Turks here, just like the Polish did. This has gotta stop its getting ridiculous, London is a total joke, I'm white and I walk down the street and feel like I am part of a minority group these days.

    And by the way racism is hating people for their skin colour usually isn't it? Even my British-black pals think the same. Its nationalism not racism.
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    (Original post by EskimoJo)
    But your system is one way.
    You know what I mean! Seal the border in so far as... only let in as many people as is necessary to maintain, but not increase, the population. And make sure they're worth having in the country before we take them.
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    (Original post by Keiran0)
    Agree with sango 100%. Plus its totally cool to be proud of your roots, but you should be proud of your new country too, those things don't contradict.
    How can one be proud of a country? A country is just a place, one specific piece of the earth, piece of mud, as opposed to another. It can't do anything for people to be proud of. People can do things that we can be proud of, and you might want to say that you are proud of the people in your country, but that would imply that there are things that you are proud of that were done unanimously by, or with the unanimous approval of all the people in the country. I doubt there are such things.

    Basically its been a free for all reecently, and when Turkey joins the EU expect a huge influx of Turks here, just like the Polish did.
    Good.

    This has gotta stop its getting ridiculous, London is a total joke, I'm white and I walk down the street and feel like I am part of a minority group these days.
    Aren't Polish people white, too? If you feel like a minority surrounded by non-white people then the people surrounding you are probably not the result of the EU's looser migration laws but come from commonwealth or other countries between which we do not have free immigration, or are the descendants of such people.

    And by the way racism is hating people for their skin colour usually isn't it? Even my British-black pals think the same. Its nationalism not racism.
    Quite right.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    You know what I mean! Seal the border in so far as... only let in as many people as is necessary to maintain, but not increase, the population. And make sure they're worth having in the country before we take them.
    What is wrong with a growing population, and how do you tell if somebody is worth having?
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    (Original post by HappinessHappening)
    In my opinion, allow whoever you like to enter as long as they can speak English fluently and have skills. I don't want any more Muslim extremists, thanks. :yes:
    The only Muslim extremists to have actually executed terrorist attacks in the UK have been UK citizens, not immigrants.
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    (Original post by Richard_A_Garner)
    The only Muslim extremists to have actually executed terrorist attacks in the UK have been UK citizens, not immigrants.
    Whose parents were immigrants.
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    (Original post by Richard_A_Garner)
    How can one be proud of a country? A country is just a place, one specific piece of the earth, piece of mud, as opposed to another. It can't do anything for people to be proud of. People can do things that we can be proud of, and you might want to say that you are proud of the people in your country, but that would imply that there are things that you are proud of that were done unanimously by, or with the unanimous approval of all the people in the country. I doubt there are such things.
    That opening sentence means that the only thing that you'll be good for is shipping to Antarctica, so we cant hear your hyper-liberal BAWWing. What a ridiculous suggestion- everyone should always be proud of their country- it's part of your heritage, where you grew up or live, a significant, almost background aspect of your life. And if you arent proud of your country, then you are no better than the cowardly "martyrs" who were involved in 7/7.
 
 
 
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