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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2-Obam....html?x=0&.v=7

    Um ... didn't he promise he could do universal healthcare without taxing the middle classes?

    I've heard from people in LA that posters like the below are starting to pop up:



    Obama as The Joker ... people are beginning to wake up now, it seems.
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    I knew there would be a tax increase because that's what democrats do. "Free" healthcare and all the other stupid things he is doing are extremely expensive.

    I remember telling everyone I worked with that he was lying when he said he wouldn't raise taxes on the lower classes and in less than a year's time people would be in the streets screaming that their taxes went up and they only make 30,000 dollars a year.

    Too bad we don't live in a country where only the people who voted for this clown have to pay his taxes. Instead, I am going to wind up getting fleeced for other people's stupidity.
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    If the US want a universal health system, like that of the NHS here, the taxpayers will have to pay. I think it is a wise move, anyway.
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    As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama is our President and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our prices would have to increase by about 10%.

    But since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been bothering me, since I believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who would have to go.

    So, this is what I did.. I walked through our parking lot and found six 'Obama' bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the ones to let go. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They voted for change, I gave it to them.

    I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.
    "Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

    Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed--just imagine the coincidence.

    When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

    I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

    At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn, even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

    I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application."

    I wasn't in America and thus didn't tip anyone, nor, as you can imagine, am I a CEO of a company but you get the idea.
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    That CEO letter is great. Too bad it's not real. I have never been in a position to directly fire an Obama supporter, but I once did convince management to fire one. Then I learned that he had to go to a mental hospital because he couldn't cope with losing his job and I felt kind of bad about it later.
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    Yes, Obama is a socialist :rolleyes:

    By that argument David Cameron is a raving anarcho-capitalist. Right wing demagoguery has got to stop somewhere.
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    That's what happens when 10% of the country only vote for somebody because of his skin colour.
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    (Original post by Mr Advice)
    If the US want a universal health system, like that of the NHS here, the taxpayers will have to pay. I think it is a wise move, anyway.
    I agree, universal healthcare comes at a cost. Did the US electorate (in particular those who voted for Obama) believe that universal heathcare could become a reality without a tax hike to the Middle Class the main beneficiaries of this service? In the run-up to the election I was slightly dubious about his optimistic propositions on healthcare. He is still far from a socialist though just sounds like inane quasi-McCarthyism used as a scaremongering tactic (purely political). People tend to confuse socialism with communism. . .
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    Honestly, anyone who thinks that Obama's economic policies are anywhere near close to full blown Socialism are hands on head making helicopter noises retarded. The bottom line is that America's healthcare system is a damn embarrrasment. The free market will never provide healthcare in a socially optimal fashion, end of.

    That said, I think I understand the problem in the US (apart from being incredibly ignorant about anything to the left). Check out these graphs:





    The fact is that, for the few Americans who have decent coverage and are employed/think they're superman, UHC is perceived to be a step down for them (based on what, I'm not entirely sure). However, the VERY SAME PEOPLE believe that UHC would help the country as a whole. So here we hit a damning dichotomy: UHC would suck for me, but work for everyone else.
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    What is a 'socially optimal' fashion? And why do non Americans think they know better than Americans about their own healthcare system? In places that UHC has been implemented in America it has sucked terribly. Having the Obama administration handle their healthcare is one of the absolute last things sensible Americans want.
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    lol, the healthcare the American government provides to its soldiers is notoriously bad.

    Not only that, but the Democrat's plan is down right dismal:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/257/story/71825.html

    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reported this month that the Democrats' plans would add more than $500 billion to the deficit and wouldn't cover about 20 million of the estimated 46 million uninsured Americans. That was a blow to Obama's case.
    Adding the '47 million uninsured' to the pool of people are covered will most certainly decrease the quality of healthcare in America. It is simply totally illogical how anyone could think that adding almost 50 million people to a healthcare system will increase the quality...

    It's easy to see why it is only left-wing non Americans who think that America should adopt a universal healthcare system rather than actual Americans themselves. And it's nothing to do with 'fear of anything left-wing' - they just voted in one of the most left-wing presidents in history, didn't they? - it's because so far the American government has shown it's incompetent at running healthcare. For pure quality, private is always going to beat universal.
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    The government couldn't even run a simple cash for clunkers program. It was successful in a few European countries, but it was a complete and total clusterfvck here. Car dealers not getting paid, websites crashing, funds running out, fights in washington about how it should be funded and if the funds should be taken from somewhere else, miscalculations, suspending the program one second, reinstating it the next minute, only to suspend it again. I've never seen incompetence of this magnitude over something so simple. It was supposed to last several months, but it was stopped after just a few weeks.

    If anything, it demonstrated the the US government can not be trusted to run even a tiny program, let alone run 1/7 of the US economy. A few states have tried covering everyone without insurance and it's been a failure every time. Hawaii ended their universal Health Care only 7 months after it started because costs spiraled out of control and the state was nearly bankrupted. Massachusetts also tried to get everyone insurance, and they are in very serious financial trouble too. And Obamacare is being modeled after the train wreck the Massachusetts system is. :woo:
 
 
 
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