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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4758sBZLC5k

    The Nazis were leftists. All socialism/leftism must be opposed!
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    The Nazis had certain socialist values and a lot of their policies did seem to be socialist. However, the Nazis were German nationalists and fascists. They were all for "putting Germany first" as it were.

    Socialism should be encouraged rather than opposed. I personally don't see anything wrong with social egalitarianism, collective decision making with all the people of a country and other socialist values. Tis a positive thing and socialism would most definitely be far better than capitalism.
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    Communism and socialism has it's roots in capitalism, nationalism has many of its roots in patriotism. Many ideologies share views, many socialists and free market capitalists don't believe in protectionism and national borders for example, but the two are fundamentally different. Nationalism and socialism are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, and anyone with any sense could spot that, so I fail to see your point.
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    (Original post by respect_campaign)
    Communism and socialism has it's roots in capitalism, nationalism has many of its roots in patriotism. Many ideologies share views, many socialists and free market capitalists don't believe in protectionism and national borders for example, but the two are fundamentally different. Nationalism and socialism are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, and anyone with any sense could spot that, so I fail to see your point.
    If you watch the video you would se that it (among other things) showed that the Nazis loved Lenin and that they got the idea of the holocaust from Karl Marx.
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    (Original post by Littlepod)
    Socialism should be encouraged rather than opposed.
    Socialism should be abolished as a concept and an ideology and removed from all rational discourse.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4758sBZLC5k

    The Nazis were leftists. All socialism/leftism must be opposed!
    I bet you regret not being born into the McCarthy era, don't you.
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    (Original post by sron)
    I bet you regret not being born into the McCarthy era, don't you.
    There's nothing wrong with a bit of McCarthyism.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    There's nothing wrong with a bit of McCarthyism.
    Now I'm convinced that you're playing a character, and a dull one at that.
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    (Original post by sron)
    I bet you regret not being born into the McCarthy era, don't you.
    *Like*


    Nazi stands for National Socializen Deutschen Arbeite Partei (my spelling might be slightly off), in that they did start out as a socialist party in many of their values. You can draw a lot of parallels between Kennedy's rein and the early years of the Nazis with regards to policy. Was Kennedy a big old murdering racist? No. For all their later faults, the Nazi Party's initial intentions weren't all bad. To say that socialism should be abolished because one party completely distorted it's values during power is BS. You've said that socialism should be abolished but surely the real enemy here is facism.


    To the jeb end that neg repped me for my spelling, I'm SO sorry. Naht. Turns out it's 'Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei'. Surely you got the picture though.
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    That was 70 years ago, you couldn't possibly... Oh, you did.

    C- (and that's being generous.)
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    (Original post by sron)
    Now I'm convinced that you're playing a character, and a dull one at that.
    lol I'm not. I think we should set up something similar to "The House Committee on Un-American Activities", mainly to investigate Islamist terrorism.
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    The 'socialism' within the nazis was more or less an attempt a to elicit support from workers(the urban workers. During the rise of the nazis it was the leftist groups who were the most vocal of the political groups, and it was the socialist who often met their death at the hands of the nazis.
    Anyway isn't national socialism an oxymoron
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    (Original post by sron)
    Now I'm convinced that you're playing a character, and a really dull one at that.
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    By this logic, all moustaches must also be avoided.
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    (Original post by mute50)
    The 'socialism' within the nazis was more or less an attempt a to elicit support from workers(the urban workers. During the rise of the nazis it was the leftist groups who were the most vocal of the political groups, and it was the socialist who often met their death at the hands of the nazis.
    Anyway isn't national socialism an oxymoron
    I reckon so.

    The German economy was in such tatters after the Treaty of Versailles that it needed to be rebuilt, and the Nazi's socialist policies offered a solution. It was pretty much a ruse to gain control over the country in that they gave the people what they wanted (ie socialism) in order to get into power, then once they were there, they could carry out their true intentions (fascism). Not exactly rocket science.

    Nothing the OP is saying is new information, I suspect they are just trolling.
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    They admired Lenin?

    This must explain why they thought Bolshevism was a Jewish plot and invaded Russia as a means to destroy it.

    :facepalm:



    This is my favourite piece of Nazi propaganda, encapsulating the belief that many Nazis had that Communism was actually a plot together with elite capitalists designed to undermine the German nation. The SPD were the main socialist party in Germany prior to the rise of the Nazis.

    Seriously, Hitler blamed socialist politicians for Germany losing the war, he called them the "November criminals" who stabbed Germany in the back.

    Your absence of historical knowledge is pathetic.

    Edit: and some other Nazi anti Marxist posters



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    Erm, in which of Marx's work was that quote about a racial holocaust published..?

    If one was really trying, you could possibly argue that Marx was responsible for the Nazis in some way due to his advocation of totalitarian regimes (though obviously, nothing like the Nazis or the SU practised..). However, Nazism had absolutely no solid roots in Marxism. If you want to tie them to a line of thought or ideology, it'd quite clearly be Nietzsche's; and that is the common historical opinion of it.

    EDIT: I'm not great at history, but isn't it the common opinion that during Hitler's rise to power, the 'communists' (as well as the 'jews') were blamed for a lot of things, which simply wern't true. The Reichstag fire of 1933, anyone? Wasn't this a major event in Hitler's rise to total power?
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    They admired Lenin?

    This must explain why they thought Bolshevism was a Jewish plot and invaded Russia as a means to destroy it.

    :facepalm:



    This is my favourite piece of Nazi propaganda, encapsulating the belief that many Nazis had that Communism was actually a plot together with elite capitalists designed to undermine the German nation. The SPD were the main socialist party in Germany prior to the rise of the Nazis.

    Seriously, Hitler blamed socialist politicians for Germany losing the war, he called them the "November criminals" who stabbed Germany in the back.

    Your absence of historical knowledge is pathetic.
    Did you watch the video?

    (Original post by Kneechuh)
    Erm, in which of Marx's work was that quote about a racial holocaust published..?
    At the start of the video, you can see the sources in small lettering at the bottom of the screen.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Did you watch the video?


    At the start of the video, you can see the sources in small lettering at the bottom of the screen.
    Yes, the first quote was from Marx, but on its own, that quote means nothing about racial superiority. Marx was a materialist, and is merely -- as is a common theme in his writings -- stating that the bourgeoisie will be a hinderance to the great communist ideal. I've read the paper.

    The second quote is not something Marx said. Simple-as.

    And I'll assume that yes, Andy did watch the video. However, surprisingly, he didn't believe it word-for-word, and is refuting the video's arguments! Must be all that useless knowledge of History and Politics that he has... :rolleyes:
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    They used the idea of Jewish people being cruel businessmen and attached it to socialism to create propoganda for the holocaust. If it wasn't for these socialist values attached to prejudice values, the holocaust would not have happened. It happened because millions supported it.
 
 
 
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