Left-wing roots of the Nazis Watch

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DEBUNKED. Check the long comment in the middle of this page:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=154676

Don, you're politics are far closer to the Nazis' than you would ever like to know (or will ever be smart enough to realise).
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(Original post by Kneechuh)
Well I can't. My eyes must be failing me.

You seem well informed on this topic, can you link me to a source? :rolleyes:
http://udemokratisk.blogspot.com/200...e-sitater.html

Here are even more quotes with the sources of them.
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Nastional Socialism I think says it all. They were both. Although before they came to power they very much boasted their socialism side to get the working class, a massive part of the electorate, to vote for them. Which they did similarly with promoting their more nationalist side to the groups such as the middle-class to gain votes from them.
Overall it's obvious that they were German Nationalists first, but there were many socialist aspects to them. So, no matter how sarcastic you may have been in the opening post OP, I'm still going to say you're wrong.
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Very cool and out there I'm sure, saying that Nazism = Socialism/Leftism.

What a boring, ill educated thread. I can imagine you ranting about it over your copy of the Daily Express. Too bad you've never read a politics/history book, you'd realise just how stupid this thread is
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As mentioned before, the communists were blamed for the Reichstag fire and communists, not Jews, were the first to be rounded up into the concentration camps following the special powers granted to Hitler.

Don, you want to refute what I've said, or explain why Nazi propaganda (and Hitler's speeches) were heavily anti-Marxist?

Another poster for you, notice the equation of Jews with Marxism.

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(Original post by sron)
DEBUNKED. Check the long comment in the middle of this page:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=154676

Don, you're politics are far closer to the Nazis' than you would ever like to know (or will ever be smart enough to realise).
Thanks for confirming this. I'd never heard of the second source, and admittedly, I haven't read it. However, piecing together two quotes from different sources is suspicious -- especially if one's published over a century after Marx's death... :rolleyes:

On a sidenote: Why does TSR's D&D section seem to be full of Libertarians & Right-wingers?
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Did you watch the video?


At the start of the video, you can see the sources in small lettering at the bottom of the screen.
There is no need for him to watch the video, anyone will that possesses a half decent amount of historical knowledge or political ideologies know that the Nazis are left wing. So ok they may have adopted 'socialist' policies such as 'jobs for all' does not make them socialist, as i have previously stated it was cynical attempt to gain support from urban workers.

Using your logic i guess the BNP are socialist meh:rolleyes:
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If you watch the video you would se that it (among other things) showed that the Nazis loved Lenin and that they got the idea of the holocaust from Karl Marx.
Lol at you my friend. The very fact that Hitler invaded Russia in order to surpress the advancement of Bolshevism is evidence enough to show he did not love Lenin. Throughout Hitler's entire life he hated Communism, they were their main extremist political rivals.
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(Original post by sron)
Don, you're politics are far closer to the Nazis' than you would ever like to know (or will ever be smart enough to realise).
LOL. How stupid can you get? :facepalm2:

Nazism is the complete opposite from conservatism, moron.
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(Original post by Kneechuh)
On a sidenote: Why does TSR's D&D section seem to be full of Libertarians & Right-wingers?
Because no one listens to them in the real world :yes:

(Original post by Don+Scott)
Nazism is the complete opposite from conservatism, moron.
This would explain why it was that Franz Von Papen, an arch-conservative, invited Hitler into the Cabinet as Chancellor.

You're a historical fantasist, Don, and it shows.
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Can we not have a sticky in this forum, saying that the political compass isn't one-dimensional? Having a few 'left-wing' or 'socialist' social policies does not make a party/ideology 'left-wing'. You see this type of argument (party X are Y wing!) all over the place; as is evident in this thread. All it often ends up in is arguing over semantics, which is where ignorance prevails.. :rolleyes:
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LOL. How stupid can you get? :facepalm2:
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Psst, Just so you know the vast majority of people here think, and know, you're wrong. So I wouldn't go throwing comments like that about.
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:laugh:

Are you Richard Littlejohn by any chance, Don?
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All socialism/leftism must be opposed!
I could imagine reading that kind of line in Der Steurmer.
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Because no one listens to them in the real world :yes:



This would explain why it was that Franz Von Papen, an arch-conservative, invited Hitler into the Cabinet as Chancellor.

You're a historical fantasist, Don, and it shows.
Ever heard of the 20th of July plot. The men who attempted to kill Hitler were conservatives. Some of the biggest opponents of the regime were religious conservatives.

Von Papen invited him in because he thought he could appease and then control Hitler that way. Hindeburg was also a conservative but was very reluctant to grant Hitler the Chancellorship.
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LOL. How stupid can you get? :facepalm2:

Nazism is the complete opposite from conservatism, moron.
No. Nazism and (c)onservatism are not complete opposites, both ideologies are inherently hierarchial often drawing there ethos from social darwinism. Also many conservativies place a emphasis on nation rather than the well-being of all.

So they are not complete opposites
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(Original post by Don_Scott)
Ever heard of the 20th of July plot. The men who attempted to kill Hitler were conservatives. Some of the biggest opponents of the regime were religious conservatives.

Von Papen invited him in because he thought he could appease and then control Hitler that way. Hindeburg was also a conservative but was very reluctant to grant Hitler the Chancellorship.
They turned on him because they thought they were going to lose the war and they wanted to maintain their positions of power. If they wanted to oppose him they should have done it 11 years earlier.

Von Papen had Hitler in the Cabinet as a bulwark against socialism, given rising support from the KPD. Hitler received financial backing from industrial interests and landed aristocrats. He helped to maintain those interests' power during his years as Fuhrer. He destroyed the unions and the working class because they posed a threat to conservative interests.

The conservatives in Germany loved Hitler, up until they thought they'd lose the war. Making stuff up doesn't change that.
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(Original post by Don_Scott)
LOL. How stupid can you get? :facepalm2:

Nazism is the complete opposite from conservatism, moron.
Nazism is the child of an incestuous threesom between Hegelian thought, strict conservatism and Nietzsche's mad ramblings..

Maybe throw in a bit of Wagner
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(Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
They turned on him because they thought they were going to lose the war and they wanted to maintain their positions of power. If they wanted to oppose him they should have done it 11 years earlier.

Von Papen had Hitler in the Cabinet as a bulwark against socialism, given rising support from the KPD. Hitler received financial backing from industrial interests and landed aristocrats. He helped to maintain those interests' power during his years as Fuhrer. He destroyed the unions and the working class because they posed a threat to conservative interests.

The conservatives in Germany loved Hitler, up until they thought they'd lose the war. Making stuff up doesn't change that.
Again you ignore my point about religious conservatives.They hated his racism and eugenics.

About the July 20th plot, they were waiting until it was easiest to be able to defeat Hitler.

And in France many leftists joined up with Hitler because they liked his socialism.

The Nazis also practiced many forms of social engineering (with the Churches and the totalitarianism) which conservatism is completely opposed to.
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Historical fact: Ernst Rohm and his followers (the SA) objected to the Nazis' friendship with big business and the church, wanting the party to support the working class. Hitler purged them in 'The Night of the Long Knives'(1934). That was the end of the small socialist element of the Nazi Party.

Don, have you yet accepted that your OP was entirely wrong or are you still deluding yourself?
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