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    ...long live music :dontknow:
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    (Original post by Respect4Acting)
    You can't enforce music on people.... for example

    I'm black and when i meet a lot people there like..
    yo, you like that new N DuBZ with STryder song.. I`m like no, I don't listen to rap, grime.. etc..
    They freak out! and try to get me into it...... No.. I much rather listen to some jazz or 70's-80's funk/disco/pop.... But that stuff isn't really mainstream anymore and I'm not gonna be like saying it's DEAD! because of it.

    But i hear what you're saying OP.


    PS - I LIKE DRUM N BASS... Weird for someone who likes jazz.
    Ahaaaaaa! I'm all about the old-skool tunes now. That's when all the good stuff started coming out..
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    (Original post by NavalChicken)
    Music criticism is dead.

    It lacks creativity. It is too manufactured. People just know what strikes a nerve and churn out 1000s of inane comments, on a production line where their hair gets put on with a machine and looks the same as the previous (I dont even know what that means, but im going to use it anyway). It doesn't evolve. It doesn't grow. Its stuck in a rut. There's no talent anymore. Most criticism that is classed as popular an average critic could write within a few months of critiquing, not years of practice. Computers have taken over and aren't giving it back. We need to take a stand, save music criticism, it is dead but we can revive it, with your help
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    Music will never 'die' it's impossible, especially when you consider the many hits artists have produced throughout the decades (centuries even), that are still timeless today - spanning across numerous genres. It's not wise to generalise in this instance.

    Personally an avid Hip-Hop/Rap afficianado, I am dissapointed at the current crop of industry manufactured commercialised nonsense that pollutes the radio nowadays. It's annoying when people latch onto artists that conform to an industry created model. Modern music is guilty of this and uniqueness and ingenuity is slowly being eroded. Take for instance Lupe Fiasco, Chino XL, Pharaohe Monch, Crooked I, Mos Def, Talib Kweli (I could go on forever lol) - some of the true patrons of Rap have been overshadowed by the likes of Flo Rida for instance. Nobody wants to try anything new, for fears of going against the grain and not gaining record sales or damaging their popularity as a result. Thank god for refreshing talent like Asher Roth, Mickey Factz, even Drake to some extent...

    I don't mean to constrain music to a single genre eventhough it may come across that way. It's when we compartmentalise music we allow people to question whether it is dead or not. When in the creative process myself I try to allow any genre to influence what I produce especially when sampling - Jazz, Classical, Vocal (got to have some Dean Martin of Nat Cole) and I love Motown.

    I'm going on a little, sorry, but my overarching point is that there are an infinite amount of ways to combine genres. If you [OP] are bored with the 'current stuff' search for something new especially in the form of unsigned talent who tend to keep their individuality as they are not puppeteered by 'industry masters'.
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    (Original post by robinson999)
    dance dosn't come under pop

    and which form of dance music are we talking about house, garage, trance

    pop music is not popular music, it has a focus on commercial recording, often orientated towards a youth market, usually through the medium of relatively short and simple love songs. While these basic elements of the genre have remained fairly constant, pop music has absorbed influences from most other forms of popular music, particularly borrowing from the development of rock music, and utilizing key technological innovations to produce new variations on existing themes.

    Popular music belongs to any of a number of musical genres, and stands in contrast to art music, and traditional music which was disseminated orally. Although popular music sometimes is known as "pop music", the term pop music usually refers to a specific musical genre.
    The whole point I was making was pop music USED to mean "popular music", hence normally chart music, but now it means a style of music, normally manufactured AND "popular music". There is no denying it.

    I would not say, however, that pop music has developed from short, love songs (THAT was patches in the 90's, i.e. Nothing compares to you, and a bulk of the songs now owing to the influence of Beyonce/Rhianna ballads)...

    The Beatles pioneered pop music and yes some of their songs fall under this category, but I would say that pop music has developed from their style of jaunty, upbeat music (60's) with a catchy melody...to Get what you give, Saturday Night and Mambo No.5 (90's), downbeat (Torn) and fiesty (Kelis/Girls Aloud). So from these examples I do agree that pop music has fused different styles over time, but I do have to say that dance music DOES fall under pop music, not the typical trance/house etc styles however, as you have said: pop music is a fusion of different styles. Examples of dance genre music I classify as pop: Mr Hudson, Calvin Harris, Eric Prydz, Cascada, David Guetta, Agnes (Release me), Freemasons, September, Ting Tings, Gala, Lady Gaga, La Roux, Dizzee Rascal etc.

    Also, go to iTunes or HMV...lots of artists cross-over dance/r'n'b/indie/rock and pop. SO pop music is a fusion of styles, but still has a meaning of "popular music", i.e. best-selling music. Just look at the iTunes pop music chart...virtual exact copy of the "top songs chart"

    Oh, and I have to agree with PM about rap: pop music HAS killed it. From Tupac, Redman, DMX, Dr Dre, Nas, Mos Def...to Flo Rida, Tincy Strida, Sean Kingston...the industry has made rap something shocking now, more accessible yes, better no. Tbh, even Eminem has lost his raw edge of the past and conformed to more of what the industry wanted. I also agree with PM about the fact that you cannot really narrow down bands/songs to one genre, as nearly every song draws influence from different styles of music, i.e. look at one of my fave songs "I'd rather dance with you" by Kings of Convenience...has influences of folk rock, classical, indie and dance (in a more subtle way than other songs).
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    (Original post by Nhala)
    The whole point I was making was pop music USED to mean "popular music", hence normally chart music, but now it means a style of music, normally manufactured.

    I would not say, however, that pop music has developed from short, love songs (THAT was patches in the 90's, i.e. Nothing compares to you, and a bulk of the songs now owing to the influence of Beyonce/Rhianna ballads)...

    The Beatles pioneered pop music and yes some of their songs fall under this category, but I would say that pop music has developed from their style of jaunty, upbeat music (60's) with a catchy melody...to Get what you give, Saturday Night and Mambo No.5 (90's), downbeat (Torn) and fiesty (Kelis/Girls Aloud). So from these examples I do agree that pop music has fused different styles over time, but I do have to say that dance music DOES fall under pop music, not the trance/house etc genres however, as you have said: pop music is a fusion of different styles. Examples of dance genre music I classify as pop: Mr Hudson, Calvin Harris, Eric Prydz, Cascada, David Guetta, Agnes (Release me), Freemasons, September, Ting Tings, Gala, Lady Gaga, La Roux, Dizzee Rascal etc.

    Also, go to iTunes or HMV...lots of artists cross-over dance/r'n'b/indie/rock and pop. SO pop music is a fusion of styles, but still has a meaning of "popular music", i.e. best-selling music. Just look at the iTunes pop music chart...virtual exact copy of the "top songs chart"
    Beyonce/Rhianna still have roots within RnB, reggae as well as pop
    The Beatles rock, pop rock

    only trouble with saying dance, dance music is for dancing, but it that labels every form into one, i would say more the artiest that fall into pop, then dance, i agree to most of the names you listen about from Eric Prydz, he is house and techno, most people know what maybe 3 songs of his, Call on Me, Proper Education and Pjanoo
    and David Guetta just cos he has been going for so long, When Love Takes Over his first UK number 1

    other live Calvin Harris as well so mainstream its painful sometimes, Dizzee Rascal it would be better if he went back to grime, La Roux i swear more people know if the remixes of her song then her :p:

    you do get cross of of music, if different forms, and how music is made, only go to look at Michael Jackson
    lets not talk about charts, cos well they are bull, plus download count now in the charts
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    (Original post by robinson999)
    Beyonce/Rhianna still have roots within RnB, reggae as well as pop
    The Beatles rock, pop rock

    only trouble with saying dance, dance music is for dancing, but it that labels every form into one, i would say more the artiest that fall into pop, then dance, i agree to most of the names you listen about from Eric Prydz, he is house and techno, most people know what maybe 3 songs of his, Call on Me, Proper Education and Pjanoo
    and David Guetta just cos he has been going for so long, When Love Takes Over his first UK number 1

    other live Calvin Harris as well so mainstream its painful sometimes, Dizzee Rascal it would be better if he went back to grime, La Roux i swear more people know if the remixes of her song then her :p:

    you do get cross of of music, if different forms, and how music is made, only go to look at Michael Jackson
    lets not talk about charts, cos well they are bull, plus download count now in the charts
    I understand that about Beyonce (will she go back to the style of music of her debut album please?)/Rhianna, I was just saying that they have popularised a certain style of love ballad songs back into mainstream pop music of late. Beatles are indeed pop/rock, but they invented the original pop music.

    Agree about Dizzee, his latest songs are ok, but samey. His older stuff was so much better, diverse and original.

    Well, yep, kind of agree about charts, but I think it was right to include download as so many more do it this way now and it gives a more accurate representation. I do, however, think the OP was viewing the charts as an accurate representation of the state of the music scene, as as you said, I said and others: IT IS NOT! OP needs to look elsewhere: music has never and will never be dead, each decade has had its weaknesses within music, but the good music has outweighed the bad (even in the 80's :p:, hehe). He needs to look outside the charts for original, well-composed music, most within the charts: purpose is to sell, not make groundbreaking-records.
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    (Original post by Nhala)
    I understand that about Beyonce (will she go back to the style of music of her debut album please?)/Rhianna, I was just saying that they have popularised a certain style of love ballad songs back into mainstream pop music of late. Beatles are indeed pop/rock, but they invented the original pop music.

    Agree about Dizzee, his latest songs are ok, but samey. His older stuff was so much better, diverse and original.

    Well, yep, kind of agree about charts, but I think it was right to include download as so many more do it this way now and it gives a more accurate representation. I do, however, think the OP was viewing the charts as an accurate representation of the state of the music scene, as as you said, I said and others: IT IS NOT! OP needs to look elsewhere: music has never and will never be dead, each decade has had its weaknesses within music, but the good music has outweighed the bad (even in the 80's :p:, hehe). He needs to look outside the charts for original, well-composed music, most within the charts: purpose is to sell, not make groundbreaking-records.
    i do think the OP basing it on chats, i said that in a post before that if you go looking for music you will find it and it will show you that it is not dead, only chart music that is poor, you just need to look for music now
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    (Original post by my_username_was_taken)
    It lacks creativity. It is too manufactured. Record companies know just waht sells and churn out 1000 bands the same, on a production line where their hair gets put on with a machine and looks the same as the previous. It doesn't evolve. It doesn't grow. Its stuck in a rut. There's no talent anymore. Most music that is classed as popular an average guitarist could play within a few months of playing, not years of practice. Computers have taken over and aren't giving it back. We need to take a stand, save music, it is dead but we can revive it, with your help.
    Mainstream music today is no more commercialised than it has ever been, you will find more less commercialised music these days than you would in previous decades to be honest.
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    (Original post by Respect4Acting)
    You can't enforce music on people.... for example

    I'm black and when i meet a lot people there like..
    yo, you like that new N DuBZ with STryder song.. I`m like no, I don't listen to rap, grime.. etc..
    They freak out! and try to get me into it...... No.. I much rather listen to some jazz or 70's-80's funk/disco/pop.... But that stuff isn't really mainstream anymore and I'm not gonna be like saying it's DEAD! because of it.

    But i hear what you're saying OP.


    PS - I LIKE DRUM N BASS... Weird for someone who likes jazz.
    Nah its not... listen to D Kay.. his music is full of jazz samples.
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    The answer is simple... Make you own music!
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    (Original post by Nhala)
    Really though? As does dance music come into pop? As pop music by definition in its original term is popular music, i.e. chart music, but it also means a style of music too. And a lot of chart music now crosses genres and some is not bad. Pop music, the style, never has reached ANYWHERE near the pinaccles (however spelt) of the 1990's...Brimful of Asha, All that she wants, Tubthumping, Boom, Boom, Shake the Room, C'est la vie, Save tonight...etc *sigh*
    Yeah..I miss those 90s.
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    (Original post by robinson999)
    Beyonce/Rhianna still have roots within RnB, reggae as well as pop
    Not contradicting you at all, but I'd much rather listen to Beyonce than Rhianna. I just believe in B more, and if it wasn't for Rhianna's connection to Jay Z she probably still would be big, but maybe not as big as she is now.

    Still, they're both very hard workers.
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    (Original post by Floofy)
    Not contradicting you at all, but I'd much rather listen to Beyonce than Rhianna. I just believe in B more, and if it wasn't for Rhianna's connection to Jay Z she probably still would be big, but maybe not as big as she is now.

    Still, they're both very hard workers.
    i'm not a massive fan of them, not really my area off music that i like, but from what i see beyonce is better, mainly cos of that umbrella song thats pretty annoying, and all the remixes to that
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    Threads like these make me chuckle. There's been a discussion on a psytrance forum I post on about how psytrance 'isn't as good as it used to be' (quoted because it's become some sort of buzz phrase on the forum, haha). I noticed the same for black metal, when I was a big fan of it; people saying it's **** nowadays, etc. The same has happened with punk for years (the slogan 'Punk is Dead' is massive), and in this thread I read that someone said the same thing about hip hop...

    It's all a load of rubbish. You're simply becoming bored/jaded with the music you do listen to, and are in need of a new injection of musical lushness! How can you have the audacity to say that music is dead when there are hundreds of musical genres and sub-genres and sub-sub-genres you have not yet listened to?!

    Don't give up on it. Music will never die; it will change but it won't die. The main negative aspect comes in the form of jaded posts like the OP's!

    PS: What on earth is wrong with using computers to make music? I can tell you now, it's a hell of a lot harder to produce a decent song on a computer than you might think. It requires a hell of a lot of extra knowledge on the producer's behalf than it does to be in a band, that's for sure. Not that I'm knocking bands in any way - I'm in one myself - but I just thought you ought to know that producing music on computers isn't as simple as doing the washing up. You try synthesizing a kick drum using a pitch-bent sine wave.

    (Original post by forever_dreamer)
    How many threads have there been like this? It lacks originality.
    It's different for everyone, because everyone is different
    Completely agree here. Music taste is completely subjective, IMO. That applies to all the art forms.

    (Original post by oo_Lucinda_oo)
    And tbh, it is just music, hardly the be all and end all. Find another hobby :dontknow:
    Heresy! :P
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    (Original post by my_username_was_taken)
    It lacks creativity. It is too manufactured. Record companies know just waht sells and churn out 1000 bands the same, on a production line where their hair gets put on with a machine and looks the same as the previous. It doesn't evolve. It doesn't grow. Its stuck in a rut. There's no talent anymore. Most music that is classed as popular an average guitarist could play within a few months of playing, not years of practice. Computers have taken over and aren't giving it back. We need to take a stand, save music, it is dead but we can revive it, with your help.
    You don't get around much music, do you? Exactly what Atomik said.

    It bothers me when people either say they're bored of music or that new music is **** when they put no effort into going off of the beaten track and just expect decent music to fall into their lap. If you're complaining there isn't any decent music any more then it's because you're too lazy to look for it beyond the boundaries you have enforced upon yourself.

    I don't think I could ever get bored of music. I listen to a fairly wide range of music and I'm fully aware that's not even scraping the tip of the musical iceberg. Incidentally, it's a pet hate of mine when people say "I listen to a bit of everything" when they aren't just using it as a turn of phrase. I feel sorry for people who think a bit of everything is equal parts generic "indie", classic rock and Sigur Ros.

    As far as I'm concerned, the more time you invest in listening to and seeking out new music and broadening your horizons, the more you appreciate music.
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    (Original post by Malkmus)
    You don't get around much music, do you? Exactly what Atomik said.

    It bothers me when people either say they're bored of music or that new music is **** when they put no effort into going off of the beaten track and just expect decent music to fall into their lap. If you're complaining there isn't any decent music any more then it's because you're too lazy to look for it beyond the boundaries you have enforced upon yourself.

    I don't think I could ever get bored of music. I listen to a fairly wide range of music and I'm fully aware that's not even scraping the tip of the musical iceberg. Incidentally, it's a pet hate of mine when people say "I listen to a bit of everything" when they aren't just using it as a turn of phrase. I feel sorry for people who think a bit of everything is equal parts generic "indie", classic rock and Sigur Ros.

    As far as I'm concerned, the more time you invest in listening to and seeking out new music and broadening your horizons, the more you appreciate music.
    Exactly. You don't even need to go far off the "beaten track" to find good, original and inspiring new music.

    This thread is dumb. If you only listen to radio 1 then yes, music is **** nowadays.
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    You just need to know where to look. Chances are if your mum has heard of your favourite band, it sucks. You have to remember that most mainstream music is mainstream because it appeals to a wide range of people and is made up of the lowest common denominator to make itself sellable to large numbers, thats why its in the charts, cause lots of people have bought it. The reason lots of people have bought it is because its watered down and mixed together lots of elements that are popular so it appeals to more people. This watering down and raising of its potential audience comes at the cost of its hardcore elements that make up its true style. Of course the jonas brothers arent as good as say, amen ra, based on a musical point of view. But The jonas brothers have diverse music that appeals to, even only slightly, to more people. Its obviously more easily attainable than an amen ra album, therefore it sells more. The reason amen ra dont sell records on mass is because their music is so tightly fixated on their style, their sound and to their tastes. The target audience is smaller, therefore the buyers are in smaller numbers. A whole load of stating the obvious there, I care not.
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    (Original post by Arturo Bandini)
    Exactly. You don't even need to go far off the "beaten track" to find good, original and inspiring new music.

    This thread is dumb. If you only listen to radio 1 then yes, music is **** nowadays.
    i disagree not all radio 1 is bad, but them thats only cos i listen to it late at night, 2 of the best shows are on at 3 am, in new dj's we trust, and the Essential Mix, any other time radio 1 is pretty poor
 
 
 
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