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    Yeah, doctors should be on minimum wage! After all, they get the satisfaction of knowing they get to help cure the ever grateful and supportive british public! And it's not like they have to study and work their backsides off for years on end, bunch of slackers!

    Leave the money to the people who do the REAL work. Like footballers and Big Brother contestants!
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    (Original post by jonnyofengland)
    Nah, they should be on minimum wage. I mean, in real terms, what worth do Doctors actually have to society?



    Yep, a bit more money would mean we could get more managers to look after everything!



    Precisely. How dare these money grabbing gits work, and then get paid for doing so! That is the epitome of greed to me.
    I agree Johnny of England - the evils evil docs must be punished.

    Purged by fire!
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    I kind of agree with this. I'm okay with doctors wages I think they've earnt it but what about all the researchers in the labs who make new medicines and develop the cures for diseases. They get a horrible pay for what they do and the businesses they work for make all the profit. I think they should be paid around the same wages as a doctor depending on what they do.
    Thanks. They should definitely earn the same wage if not more... there is no facet they lack which doctors have the upper hand in, with the lone exception of maybe better people-skills. However we all know how much good people skills are valued, the salaries of social workers being prime evidence!
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    They deserve the money, they save lives.
    Bankers also deserve their money; they only earn what they are worth to the banks, who are companies and so need talented people to make money.
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    (Original post by PeterGriffin)
    They deserve the money, they save lives.
    Bankers also deserve their money; they only earn what they are worth to the banks, who are companies and so need talented people to make money.
    I agree with that personally, and didn't have a problem with their pay until the government had to spend our tax money on bailing out the banks. Now it is more than reasonable to expect a very tight control on expenses, especially in the recession, and I don't see how doctors are exempt from this.

    Of course, banks which have received no State money can pay their bankers whatever they like - we only have a right to voice our opinions about the salaries of the people we are funding. :yes:
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    Being a Doctor is a freaking hard career. I know a few and they work crazy hours sometimes and have to put up with the NHS.
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    A reported 380k yearly salary....

    So they've caught up to Ronaldo's weekly wage then...

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    note to self: marry my medic bf. :awesome:

    no but seriously, as many people have said, the wages doctors get is very justified: they train really eally hard and their job is super stressful and it's all in the name of being selfless. so what if ONE GP gets 380 a year? good for them i say. also, theyve only taken into account GPs- what about all teh specialist such as surgeons and doctors reearching medinices and vaccinations? how much should they earn before people start criticising them? The daily fail has once again utterly crapped all over itself, basically, and i will continue to ignore it's drivel.
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    Yea totally you know doctors don't provide any service to the country, take all their money and give it to the footballers they need more money.

    Seriously, why not take the money from them instead of people that ACTUALLY HELP
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    As a few people have said already, the stress, the hours they work, they have to constantly train to keep up with new medicines, procedures, keep up with information when something gets researched and more things are found out about a condition/virus.

    The responsibilty they have on there hands to make sure there diagnosing things correctly.

    I want the doctor who looks after me, to be cut from the finest minds the country can offer, after all its my health in his hands

    And to attract the best possible people the wage has to be substantial.

    there not investing large amounts of money in the economy, there taking care of peoples lives
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    I kind of agree with this. I'm okay with doctors wages I think they've earnt it but what about all the researchers in the labs who make new medicines and develop the cures for diseases. They get a horrible pay for what they do and the businesses they work for make all the profit. I think they should be paid around the same wages as a doctor depending on what they do.
    they don't have any responsibilty with dealing with people, if you mess up in a lab, no biggy, just start again, if you mess up with a person, woopsie!
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    (Original post by EdwardCurrent)
    Yes, but I am specifically not deciding to contribute to paying people such substantial sums of money when I will never see any benefit. Rather, I am being forced to and I resent it.

    And £380k is clearly far from trivial when put into the context of the average salary. Bankers can take the moral high ground in every single instance: at least they were not paid by means of statutory theft.
    From your first sentence, what are you saying? You are refusing or are going to refuse to pay your tax? Don't get me wrong, i'm all for lower taxes and this government has made a shambles of everything and we havent seen the improvements that we should have in line with the amount of money thats been poured into the various public services. If anything, some of them come off worse financially , I dont know how they manage it sometimes.

    But like I said before, the £380k = 1 doctor for starters, maybe he was doing a **** load of overtime? very experienced? I already mentioned that the £380k includes his RENT (for the surgery, could be a few K per month and most likely is.) and the salaries of his staff, so a couple of receptionists (my local GP surgery has 1 main doctor, 1 doctor who covers for him on odd occaisons, 1 nurse who only does mornings + 3 receptionists!) - even if the £380k accounts for the salary of 1 receptionist on 20k a year, you can see why this is a none story.

    Also 'in line with the average salary'? A G.Ps job is far from the average job so I think thats totally irrelevant.

    I think some public service jobs and civil servants are paid way too ******* much and in regards to civil servants there are way too many. But a lot of nurses etc. deserve to be paid a lot more, i think the doctors average salary of 100k is pretty decent though, they could still do with a pay rise. I think some of us forget how much experience is required to be earning £100k through the NHS.

    These same doctors would probably be making much more working privately.
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    My opinion is in the middle of the two (kinda ridiculous) extremes. Saying doctors can be paid as much as they like because footballers earn more is silly, as is saying they should earn loads because they save lives. Medical scientists are an integral part of 'saving lives', and have just as much skill and nearly as much training, but they don't earn nearly as much as the average doctor.

    But then again, it's kinda hard to judge until we can see the proper statistics of true take home pay rather than the Daily Mail ranting. Overreacting is needless. The last few months have seemed like the NHS is going to take major cuts in pay anyway, soon the Daily Mail will probably cover how our deserving doctors are being betrayed by our evil government.
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    Everything in the Daily Mail is bull****.

    For the amount of work doctors actually do, they should get paid more.
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    (Original post by SuperKell)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0NDoy1v1Z

    Yes i have seen this in the medic forum, my discussion is different.

    That pay is very high! A lot more than i thought they get ~100k. For what they do, do they really deserve that pay? Surely that overpay is better invested back into the NHS, not straight to the greedy GP's pockets.

    Yes i know i sourced the daily fail
    ONE GP earned 380k
    Most GPs earn less than 100k

    If they earn those really high figures it's likely that comes from PRIVATE practice not NHS.

    GPs put up with a lot of ****, work hard and have trained and studied for years.

    If being an GP is such an easy job, get yourself to med school.

    Also GPs are not all doctors, nobody got rich working for the NHS and yes bankers are bankers and make proper ££££. That's where the money is at.
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    (Original post by dude55)
    I do hope this is sarcasm...? Maybe I just havent noticed it.
    I'm actually quite insulted that you think I might have been serious. But hey, I guess that's just the risk when you don't employ such devices as [/sarcasm] and :rolleyes:. You actually have to rely on people thinking about what you write.
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    (Original post by Lorenzo666)
    Totally agree with this point-the reason they earn these vast sums of money is due to their private work that for the majority of doctors takes priority over NHS work, so doctors aren't that dissimilar to bankers. I'd be interested to see who would train all those years to become a doctor but earnt minimum wage- that would show whos in medicine for the money and who genuinely wants to improve treatment and preserve life.
    No it wouldn't. It would show whose families are rich enough that they can write off all the debt they've accrued through training.
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    Doctos should get paid highly if they work very hard, which they seem to do. But I do think getting paid £100 to £200 an hour for eveings/weekend services, is quite a lot if the tax payers are paying their salary.
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    (Original post by anonymouz)

    But like I said before, the £380k = 1 doctor for starters, maybe he was doing a **** load of overtime? very experienced? I already mentioned that the £380k includes his RENT (for the surgery, could be a few K per month and most likely is.) and the salaries of his staff, so a couple of receptionists (my local GP surgery has 1 main doctor, 1 doctor who covers for him on odd occaisons, 1 nurse who only does mornings + 3 receptionists!) - even if the £380k accounts for the salary of 1 receptionist on 20k a year, you can see why this is a none story.

    Also 'in line with the average salary'? A G.Ps job is far from the average job so I think thats totally irrelevant.

    I think some public service jobs and civil servants are paid way too ******* much and in regards to civil servants there are way too many. But a lot of nurses etc. deserve to be paid a lot more, i think the doctors average salary of 100k is pretty decent though, they could still do with a pay rise. I think some of us forget how much experience is required to be earning £100k through the NHS.

    These same doctors would probably be making much more working privately.
    I would agree that a GP earning 380K would have to own the surgery to earn that amount. But i still think its a ridiculous amount of money seeing as they don't have the same responsibility as hospital consultants; they refer patients on if they don't understand the cause of the symptoms, basically leaving it to a specialist consultant to diagnose, but if the consultant is still unsure then there is no passing the buck. My dads a manager in the NHS and there are doctors that he is managerially responsible to that are earning >£300k as they do 80% private work and 20% NHS work, some of them even do 3 days a week and are still earning these vast sums. However, managers in the NHS won't speak up against the doctors shrewd tactics as they would damage their own career and the public image of doctors is that they can never be seen to be doing wrong. I would imagine that in a few years time the public will understand what goes on behind closed doors in the NHS and how money hungry these doctors are.
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    Most of the controversy comes from the new GPs contract introduced a few years ago that saw massive wage increases of 58% while also reducing the number of hours GPs worked by around seven per week.

    Many GP partners (not all GPs) got huge wage rises for many services they already offered and many immediately opted out of after-hours care such as opening on saturday mornings and evenings. The National Audit Office report found that GPs only improved services which offered a financial reward and despite the increased pay for GPs there was no evidence that patient care had imporoved at all (this is something the "doctors are brilliant, they do nothing but good" brigade should bare in mind).

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...09/nhs.health1

    The "doctors are all heros, they save lives, lets give them even more money" argument is too simplistic to be taken seriously.

    Obviously doctors should be relatively highly paid, but in my opinion the government has taken this too far and fallen for the "all doctors are heros, lets give them more and more money" resulting in the overly generous contracts which massively increase pay while also reducing working hours. The government has realised this - hence trying to force practices to be opened at eveings and weekends.
 
 
 
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