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    (Original post by santeria)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ce-system.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...o-Britain.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...iled-year.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-300-000.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ried-rape.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nted-life.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...date-rape.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gal-first.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nightmare.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...en-Mirren.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...iled-rape.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-months.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ruth-rape.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-lover.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ree-court.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pens-them.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...night-out.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bies-life.html

    These are all found from 2 pages of typing 'rape' or 'cry rape' on the Mail's search function. (Although there are over 150 pages of such articles).

    All of these articles fail to mention the actual known facts about rape: http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=599 (including the crucial point that the police believe that only around 3% of rape complainants are lying).

    The irrational populism of the Mail does however lead them to write a few articles about the injustices faced by rape victims.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-guilty.html

    Perhaps these failings can be explained, in part, through the fact that the Mail is a very widely read newspaper and so its implicit view that rape allegations are very often 'life-destroying lies' is very much within the public consiousness.
    How are ANY of those articles misogynistic, or anti-women in any way? They rightfully condemn a portion of very twisted and malicious women who have falsely accused a man of rape, consequently destroying their lives. At the same time, they talk about how severe the consequences of their actions directly affect women who have been genuinely raped. I dont actually see what you're trying to get at here.
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    I think it's wrong to teach "schoolboys" not to beat "any women".

    The education should be about violence, domestic abuse and the negative effects, not something gender related. Putting focus on sex is just going to create more tension between the genders and confusion among children.

    Viloence and abuse are wrong. Regardless of gender. Nothing less, nothing more.
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    Police figures reveal a massive rise in the number of women arrested for 'violence against the person' offences which more than doubled from 37,000 ten years ago to 88,000 last year.


    Jill Kirby, of the Centre for Policy Studies, said Miss Harman and the Government should not be creating the impression violent crime is men against women, when the statistics show this is not the case.

    She added: 'It is young men who are most likely to be the victims of violent crime. It is a distortion to suggest otherwise. It appears that everything must be viewed through the prism of 1960s feminism.'
    One thing worthy of discussion that The Mail draws upon is how much focus Harman is putting on educating children on how violence against the female is wrong. Why not teach kids that violence against anyone is bad? The figures clearly show a much larger rise in the amount of females involved in offences. Just further evidence proving Harman is a blatant sexist tramp.
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    What about boys who are going to be in gay relationships, when they grow up?
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    what do you expect its the daily mail. Also they reported that using social networking may cause someone to commit suicide. I think its a good thing to teach children about.
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    (Original post by Flying Cookie)
    I think it's wrong to teach "schoolboys" not to beat "any women".

    The education should be about violence, domestic abuse and the negative effects, not something gender related. Putting focus on sex is just going to create more tension between the genders and confusion among children.

    Viloence and abuse are wrong. Regardless of gender. Nothing less, nothing more.
    What do you expect? Harman is feminist not egalitarian.
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    This is ridiculous for a few reasons:

    - Kids should be taught education in schools not ridiculous social issues.
    -Men make up 40 percent of domestic violence cases, so maybe they should teach girls hitting men is wrong. Also men make up the main share of victims of violkent crime.
    -If we have equality then in theory there is nothing wrong with hitting women.... if you would react violently to a man in a situation then you should react violently to a woman.
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    This makes me so angry that I want to go and beat my wife.
    Grrrr.
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    (Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher)
    One thing worthy of discussion that The Mail draws upon is how much focus Harman is putting on educating children on how violence against the female is wrong. Why not teach kids that violence against anyone is bad? The figures clearly show a much larger rise in the amount of females involved in offences. Just further evidence proving Harman is a blatant sexist tramp.
    I agree. Harman is about 40 years too late, she doesn't realise the feminist fight is over, they won. Now it's time for us all to progress into the future as one unit with men helping women and vice versa.
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    (Original post by Antonia87)
    How are ANY of those articles misogynistic, or anti-women in any way? They rightfully condemn a portion of very twisted and malicious women who have falsely accused a man of rape, consequently destroying their lives. At the same time, they talk about how severe the consequences of their actions directly affect women who have been genuinely raped. I dont actually see what you're trying to get at here.
    If you honestly believe that the sheer volume/tone of the 'cry-rape' stories in the Mail will not affect how the readership feels about those who allege rape then you are being naive. The Mail's aggressive reporting of what is actually a relatively miniscule number of false allegations is irresponsbile given the low level of successful rape convictions. You talk of those who have been 'genuinely' raped - but 'genuine' rape becomes a very unlikely thing given the Mail's attitude (i.e. claims that husband rape is not as distressing as stranger rape and that if a woman is drunk she is asking for it). Essentially the way the Mail reports rape heavily implies to its readership that women/rape 'victims' (notice they more often than not put this word in inverted commas) are irrational liars who are not to be trusted.

    The Mail suggests that: those cases that do end in a guilty verdict (around 6% but in some areas such as where i live more like 2%) are probably false and 100s of respectable innocent men are being unfairly imprisoned; in those cases that do no end in a guilty verdict the complainants should actually be put on trial themselves. This is ******* ridiculous given the low level of conviction rates and the severe lack of evidence to suggest that complainants are actually lying.
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    (Original post by TheJudge)
    This is ridiculous for a few reasons:

    - Kids should be taught education in schools not ridiculous social issues.
    I think it is funny how the left like to attack anyone who doesn't want to turn the school system into left wing indoctrination and propaganda centers.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    What do you expect? Harman is feminist not egalitarian.
    I don't have enough information to comment on her general agenda and person. I'm going on holiday tomorrow morning, but I'll definitely take the time afterwards to research her and see what I make of it.

    However, this specific policy is indeed feminist rather than egalitarian and I think damages both men and women by reiterating some gender differences which don't and shouldn't exist (violence, right to violence, right to protection, gender roles, etc.)

    Plus, it makes it seem like women can't do anything about being attacked physically by men. Which is obvious crap and objectifies women. If anything, she's anti-feminist.
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    (Original post by Melz0r)
    Damn those commie feminists trying to get rid of good old fashioned British institutions like wife-beating. IS NOTHING SACRED TO THESE PEOPLE!?
    :rofl:
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    I think it is funny how the left like to attack anyone who doesn't want to turn the school system into left wing indoctrination and propaganda centers.
    I agree and its particularly disgusting when they push a favourable image of homosexual relationships and transgender people. I don;t want my children to experience this uncivilised indoctrination.
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    Since when the hell was not beating your wife 'controversial' or 'feminist'? :rolleyes:
    ok, i see a person walking down the street. being the **** that i am, i go up to them and punch them in the nose; i then proceed to pour bleech into their eyes before finally sticking my big toe into one of their eye sockets and making it come out of the other. are you telling me that it's more ok to do that to a man than to a woman?
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    (Original post by Flying Cookie)
    I don't have enough information to comment on her general agenda and person. I'm going on holiday tomorrow morning, but I'll definitely take the time afterwards to research her and see what I make of it.

    However, this specific policy is indeed feminist rather than egalitarian and I think damages both men and women by reiterating some gender differences which don't and shouldn't exist (violence, right to violence, right to protection, gender roles, etc.)

    Plus, it makes it seem like women can't do anything about being attacked physically by men. Which is obvious crap and objectifies women. If anything, she's anti-feminist.
    This was my point all along. Feminism has slowly started to shift towards harming both men and women as time has progressed. Whenever just one side gets its way now we all have to pay. It would be far better if feminism was just dropped and we all progressed a little as a society rather than trying to form competing factions.
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    (Original post by madima)
    ok, i see a person walking down the street. being the **** that i am, i go up to them and punch them in the nose; i then proceed to pour bleech into their eyes. are you telling me that it's more ok to do that to a man than to a woman?
    What's your point? Of course it isn't
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    (Original post by TheJudge)
    I agree and its particularly disgusting when they push a favourable image of homosexual relationships and transgender people. I don;t want my children to experience this uncivilised indoctrination.
    I think the majourity of people don't. But they are ethier too disengagued from the political system to do anything, or they are apathetic beacuse they feel they can't. I don't see why the government doesn't leave issues like this up to parents and teachers.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    This was my point all along. Feminism has slowly started to shift towards harming both men and women as time has progressed. Whenever just one side gets its way now we all have to pay. It would be far better if feminism was just dropped and we all progressed a little as a society rather than trying to form competing factions.
    Ideologies are a bit like political parties. They do harm for the sake of keeping their original set of views intact rather than adapting to new social circumstances and factors.

    That's why I prefer judging policies independently of a party or ideology. For example, I'd score liberal on the whole, despite having certain rightist views on some issues. I don't believe in sets of beliefs or "greater good".

    Some politicians, for example, come up with a crap policy on heathcare and everyone hates them. After a while, the same politcian proposes a policy on education and people don't even pay attention. If a, b, c are incorrect, it doesn't mean that x, w, z will be incorrect as well.

    That's why I prefer arguing about specific moves and policies rather than generalizing. Feminism isn't good or bad, certain policies are and some aren't. Same goes for pretty much all other ideologies. People tend to take things out of the box and settle for general opinions of a general thing and can't be bothered thinking about the specific circumstances to which the ideas are adapted.
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    I don't understand what's getting people so worked up. If it's being taught to 5 year olds then it'll be aimed at 5 year olds and it'll be done in the more subtle 'this is a bad thing. If you see this happening then it's okay to tell us" way. I really don't see anything wrong with protecting children and to giving children a vital education in how to treat other people. Society is going downhill because parents can't be bothered to teach their kids these things, and if the school has to step in to make people lives better then so be it.

    And it's pretty clear that the article is sensationalist drivel. Screaming feminist doesn't do anything at all. How on earth did mentioning the violence of women add anything to the argument?
 
 
 
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