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    (Original post by Abara)
    lol, fiiiine, you can get that, : D
    But the main idea is that if a white American who is hetero etc is beaten to death no one will pity him as "in the past he's been an oppressor"
    and there is no group that fights for the rights of the white, hetero, christian, single men ...
    Where are their rights being threatened? What would this group campaigning for the rights of white, heterosexual, Christian single men do?
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    (Original post by littleshambles)
    Are you experiencing systematic criminalisation in the form of bans on particular cultural expressions, associations or assemblies? Targeted deprivation of civil and political rights or property? Are you the targets of systematic violence; pogroms, arbitrary arrests?

    Yes on the count of Property.

    Mate of mine (white fella) went to look at a flat for let. Met the owner whose words were.

    We only want a Asian to let this flat.

    This fella to be honest does have some racist undertones so I leave it to you to guess what he said back.

    Anyway does any of that you put STILL happen in the USA. A big key word in there is the STILL.

    Got it, not what has happened in the past.
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    (Original post by ChaoticMaster)
    White people are persecuted at all in relation to other groups. The Nazi's is a great example. There crimes were great but in comparison to the hundreds of years of slavery whites enforced on other races, the kidnapping of thousands that was the slave trade, the slaughter of the mesmoAmericans and the theft of their land to name just a few. Yet today Germany in continually linked to it and things are very sensitive when talking about the holocaust and other nazi crimes in state once occupied by the nazi's. And yet no one feels the need to look back and acknowledge the heinous crimes committed by white people.
    I'm sorry, but neither I, nor anyone in my family, nor anyone living on my street, nor any white male I personally know has enslaved an African, colonised a piece of foreign land (and repressed the populace), or shoved a Jew into a gas chamber. Do you not realise the sheer hypocrisy of your stereotypical grouping of white people into a category? This is exactly the kind of disparaging attitude and discourse that encouraged 19th/20th century European anti-Semitism. It's akin to an anti-Semite stating that because many of the world's leading bankers are Jewish, all Jews are obsessed with making money and taking over the world (indeed, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - imported by Tsarist secret police to National Socialist gangsters in Eastern Europe - mirrored this attitude). My fear is that this categorisation of whites will go so far that it will overstep the balance of "strife for minority equality" and ultimately encourage a legitimised repression (especially with increasing minority powers and demographic proportions - with fundamentalist religious impetus if you thought it couldn't get any worse).
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    (Original post by mrst269)
    Yes on the count of Property.

    Mate of mine (white fella) went to look at a flat for let. Met the owner whose words were.

    We only want a Asian to let this flat.
    That is not systematic deprivation of property I am afraid, as it wasn't his property to begin with (and a single example of racism does not systemic persecution make). I am fairly sure that that is against the law, however. (And if it isn't, then it isn't against the law for anyone.)

    This fella to be honest does have some racist undertones so I leave it to you to guess what he said back.
    Would he let his flat out to an Asian, though? :moon:

    Anyway does any of that you put STILL happen in the USA. A big key word in there is the STILL.
    Who said anything about that "STILL" happening in the USA? I didn't say anything about the USA at all. In fact I didn't say anything about it actually happening anywhere. Does what you just described above ever still happen in the United States? You can bet your bottom ******* dollar it does. Anyway, non sequitur.

    Got it, not what has happened in the past.
    Okay bro.
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    (Original post by mrst269)
    Anyway does any of that you put STILL happen in the USA. A big key word in there is the STILL.

    Got it, not what has happened in the past.
    Yes. Not heard about the Henry Louis Gates Jr. arrest?

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/bre...7/harvard.html

    Willing to go back a few years? How about Amadou Diallo? Pretty famous case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo

    Or more recently, Ousmane Zongo? Or Rodney King? There are plenty more cases of racist police brutality, and racial profiling.
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    On the whole every section of society will be discriminated against at some point or other by an individual, so i think it is quite a blanket statement to single out white men.

    I have never experienced any problems about being held responsible for what people with the same skin colour as me did in the past. I think this is just one of these scare stories fermented by tabloid news papers on a slow news day to fill some copy.
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    (Original post by Abara)
    there is no group that fights for the rights of the white, hetero, christian, single men ...
    Wouldn't this suggest that white men aren't persecuted. Generally it is the persecuted and those discriminated against that group together hence organisations such as Stonewall.

    I for one don't want a pressure group that appoints itself to speaks on my behalf
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    Was just highlighting a example of one of the reasons you put forward.

    Probably not no he wouldn't so you could argue 6 of one half a dozen of the other so to speak.

    And I haven't heard of those stories no. I have a a look later on.

    Don't give me that police brutality nonsense. Have you ever been to a football match, mainly white males and the police are right ott ******* there.

    Just to leave it at personal experiences I have
    Been racially abused verbally (sticks and stones and all that)
    Attacked physically (get the ******* Gora*).
    Been refused to answer a questionnaire about racism (irony) because I was white. (only wanted non white peoples opinions, which to me is racist).
    Suffered police brutality.
    Positive Discrimination.

    I have come across all of those above at least once in my near on 19 years. But hey I am white, no body cares, I have no one to turn to for support, for help.
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    (Original post by mrst269)
    Was just highlighting a example of one of the reasons you put forward.
    Great, except it wasn't an example, because it wasn't systematic, it was an isolated incident; and it wasn't an example of what I was talking about anyway, as he wasn't having his property taken away from him. It's like me saying the fact some dude called me a ****** once means non-whites are being persecuted.

    Don't give me that police brutality nonsense. Have you ever been to a football match, mainly white males and the police are right ott ******* there.
    Er, different situations. Racially motivated police brutality in the United States is very real. That is not to say police brutality in the United Kingdom is not real. And forgive me but police aren't OTT at football matches because they are attended by white males, they're OTT at football matches because they're attended by ******* football hooligans.

    Just to leave it at personal experiences I have
    Been racially abused verbally (sticks and stones and all that)
    Attacked physically (get the ******* Gora*).
    Been refused to answer a questionnaire about racism (irony) because I was white. (only wanted non white peoples opinions, which to me is racist).
    Suffered police brutality.
    Positive Discrimination.
    Positive discrimination is illegal in the United Kingdom. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employme...rk/DG_10026667

    Great. All that has happened to non-whites too. Are non-whites being persecuted in the United Kingdom? No. As for the survey, there are lots of surveys targeted at various people that various other people can't answer. While the fact the survey wasn't looking at whites may have compromised its validity (depends what its aim was), unless you know what the survey was actually looking for you can't really say why it wasn't asking whites. There are many, many sociological studies that have looked only at certain ethnicities. Doesn't mean you're being persecuted mate.

    I have come across all of those above at least once in my near on 19 years. But hey I am white, no body cares, I have no one to turn to for support, for help.
    Erm OK. All tiny violins aside, doesn't mean you're being persecuted though does it? And I say tiny violins because there are a lot of people out there who are experiencing a lot of crap for various reasons and even if they are non-white that doesn't mean that anybody really cares.
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    (Original post by mrst269)
    Huh.


    So it is only the evil whitey who is the racist in your world.

    :banghead:
    my world around me is literally whereabouts i live

    and the 'evil whitey' is the predominant racist

    too many whites for ethnics to be racist here

    and to prevent uneccesary arguments - i'm not saying you are a racist or all whites are racist, or even every white person in my area is racist
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    I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. But, I do not think we are quite there, and persecuted is DEFINITELY the wrong word.

    The whole political-correct culture is definitely making things extremely awkward - but persecuted?
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    Ok Ok shambles.

    You just played on a massive stereotype with football matches there(Do you regularly attend football matches to back up your statement). But not really with the topic really so I leave that be.

    The questionnaire. I had one black woman knocking on doors where I live (80% south Asian area) and when I answered the door I basically had we do not need information from you people (in those words). Not at all tactful. Now could you imagine it the other way round. All I know it was about racism and peoples experiences. Stinks of the only the white man is racist line doesn't it.

    I just listed what I have experiences in regards of my race that I have come across. Many others have worse and I know non white people get it to(quite often in the white area of the town I live in which is the other side to where I live). But to what lil flo put, it is what surrounds me. So in my world only the asian man is racist then.

    As for being persecuted is anyone being so in the UK?
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    Look up 'persecuted'. Then reread your OP. Then slap yourself.
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    (Original post by mrst269)
    Ok Ok shambles.

    You just played on a massive stereotype with football matches there(Do you regularly attend football matches to back up your statement). But not really with the topic really so I leave that be.
    I did no such thing. Do football hooligans attend football matches or not? If they didn't, how come so many football hooligans get banned from attending football matches? Are football matches heavily policed because the police are prejudiced against white men or because they are events involving a large number of people in close proximity, events known to have been the occasion for violence in the past? get a grip.

    The questionnaire. I had one black woman knocking on doors where I live (80% south Asian area) and when I answered the door I basically had we do not need information from you people (in those words). Not at all tactful. Now could you imagine it the other way round. All I know it was about racism and peoples experiences. Stinks of the only the white man is racist line doesn't it.
    Sounds like some racist lady wanted some biased information for her biased survey. Persecution? No.

    I just listed what I have experiences in regards of my race that I have come across. Many others have worse and I know non white people get it to(quite often in the white area of the town I live in which is the other side to where I live). But to what lil flo put, it is what surrounds me. So in my world only the asian man is racist then.
    Plleeeeeeease quit with this "white man" "black man" "asian man" ********, this isn't the American deep south and we are not Malcolm X. Honestly there is nothing that annoys me more than the current resurgence of this idiom among irritating tits.

    As for being persecuted is anyone being so in the UK?
    No, which is what this thread is asking. Earth to you.
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    The Commission for Racial Equality's own figures highlight that the greatest proportion of racist attacks are directed against white people by the minority populace. Why don't we ever hear about them? Why was reportage over the death of Kriss Donald, white Scottish 15-year old, tortured in the most barbaric ways imaginable and murdered by hateful, racist Pakistani thugs (who went around trying to find a "white boy" to kill), pretty much non-existant? Why is it the case that in particular London boroughs where whites are a minority, and are failing at school due to having to be "taught" in classrooms with over 10 different languages, are provided with no government incentives, despite the fact that minorities (the white populace in these areas) should be entitled to them? Why are there frequent cases of Islamic grooming of Western girls in certain segregated areas (which we never hear about on national news because it'd be un-PC to do so)?
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    I did not start the thread just shared my view.

    What I see as a football hooligan (some one who fights over football) and the people who issue the bans (which could range from menial things like swearing, standing or being drunk) . So therefore your question in why people get banned doesn't wash. I guessing to answer my own question you do not have much experience of the football support.

    I was replying to something some fella called Flo put above. If it annoys you I am sorry, but live with it can you.

    As a end note what I see is of every race and culture in this land. It is mine which has made the biggest adjustments. My grandparents did not ask for the world and his father to come to their doorstep. But hey he did. The country has changed, the culture changed and adjusted. It is the white man (sorry) who has noticed and suffered the biggest changes, who has moved out from his area* (look at the East End of London and Essex for example) and has been made to change his way of life. Ok you may be happy with that, fair enough.

    Not exactley persecuted but not at all warranted in the myth of our brilliant multicultural society.

    *Only ******* idiots like myself remain in areas like this. The minute I have a bit of money the minute I am gone from this **** heap of a community.
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    (Original post by mrst269)
    I did not start the thread just shared my view.

    What I see as a football hooligan (some one who fights over football) and the people who issue the bans (which could range from menial things like swearing, standing or being drunk) . So therefore your question in why people get banned doesn't wash. I guessing to answer my own question you do not have much experience of the football support.
    Dear God.

    Look. Just because other people get banned from football matches doesn't mean FOOTBALL HOOLIGANS DON'T. Just because As are Bs does not mean ONLY As are Bs, logic please. Did I deny that police go "OTT" at football matches? NO.

    All I am saying is that they are not OTT at football matches because they hate white males, they're OTT because of a perceived culture of violence, because they want to maintain a higher level of control at an event with thousands of people in very close proximity likely to be drunk and/or hostile. It's the same with mass protests.

    I was replying to something some fella called Flo put above. If it annoys you I am sorry, but live with it can you.
    I don't know what the **** you're talking about here. You gave me an an example of "deprivation of property" that was not and I've been replying to you since then.

    As a end note what I see is of every race and culture in this land. It is mine which has made the biggest adjustments. My grandparents did not ask for the world and his father to come to their doorstep. But hey he did. The country has changed, the culture changed and adjusted. It is the white man (sorry) who has noticed and suffered the biggest changes, who has moved out from his area* (look at the East End of London and Essex for example) and has been made to change his way of life. Ok you may be happy with that, fair enough.

    Not exactley persecuted but not at all warranted in the myth of our brilliant multicultural society.

    *Only ******* idiots like myself remain in areas like this. The minute I have a bit of money the minute I am gone from this **** heap of a community.
    Blah blah blah, no persecution to see here. Yes, the country has changed. Newsflash: things change. No one has been dispossessed, no one has been forced into exile. You are not being persecuted. Jesus. That's all my original post was about and that's why I have remained in that context, because either you were attempting to show you were in which case you have failed, or you weren't, in which case you were just talking irrelevant rubbish.
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    Urgh. White people feeling like they're being persecuted for their bad past... black people suffering the ex-slave inferiority complex and black rage... Asian people angered at a past of subservience and a loss of their nation's wealth... when will we confine the past to history books and stop becoming so unnecesserily emotional. :rolleyes:

    I am guilty of becoming entangled in the pursuit for retrospective justice but it simply is not possible, and neither are ex-slave owners and colonisers still alive today to extract revenge against. Humanity has got far greater problems ahead of it. :o:
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Uh, being *****ed at once in a while =/= slavery / genocide / global exploitation.
    I've never enslaved anyone / committed genocide / exploited the globe, yet I have been *****ed at once in a while.

    Your point sucks ass.
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    (Original post by Elementric)
    I've never enslaved anyone / committed genocide / exploited the globe, yet I have been *****ed at once in a while.

    Your point sucks ass.
    Nope, but your country has benefitted massively from all those activities at the detriment of other peoples.

    Just get over yourself already. Is being *****ed at really that much of a deal? Considering the wealth that was effectively stolen, people just want an opportunity to vent frustration at the sad state of their countries which is a large part the result of "white man imperialism".
 
 
 
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