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    (Original post by Kolya)
    What about protection of the public? In the case of Biggs, neither rehabilitation, nor deterrence, nor protection of the public, are served by him being in prison.

    Well, it's not clear what the motivation for him being in prison was. He only went to prison because he wanted medical treatment. There's some question as to whether rehabilitation or retribution are particularly appropriate goals for imprisoning an old man for a robbery he committed 40 years ago.
    Well you can achieve protection of the public through simple execution, so that's why the reason isn't often used to support prisons.
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    Yes it is right and was a travesty of justice that he was made a scape goat of by jack straw! i remember seeing this issue on question time, were it was admitted that with the current changes to the justice system any new case coming up for parole wouldnt fall to jack straw, however due to when the original crime took place it didnt fall under the new laws jurisdiction so it was jack straws decission. with the advice of the parole board. and there advice was to let him go! and they now make the decissions for everyone! the criminal justice system is about reforming prisoners and putting those who pose a risk to society behind bars, not simply giving someone say 100 years like in the us. and lastly there have been rapists and paedophiles released by jack straw under similar conditions due to the state of prisons being full!!!
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    (Original post by Kolya)
    What about protection of the public? In the case of Biggs, neither rehabilitation, nor deterrence, nor protection of the public, are served by him being in prison.

    Well, it's not clear what the motivation for him being in prison was. He only went to prison because he wanted medical treatment. There's some question as to whether rehabilitation or retribution are particularly appropriate goals for imprisoning an old man for a robbery he committed 40 years ago.
    Do you want to actually answer the question?
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    yes but he was given a sentence for a crime he committed and the subsequent extras for escaping, if we let him get away wit not serving some of that original sentence it would be like telling criminals to go and steal, kill etc with the chance of escaping the country and returning in a matter of years and getting away with it. use your logic! he would very much have served that sentence, if it wasnt for his ill-health. but due to this ill-health, his age and all the other factors it was only human to let him out early.
    like lets be honest hes being released effectively to die! more ironically hes basically already free the hospital he is currently in getting care, the Norwich and Norfolk Hospital is where he is going to stay and most likely die, only difference being minus 3 prison guards!
    Sadly the only winners in this situation, ironically is the public, who will save money not having to pay for three prison guards, guarding a bed ridden man, who is currently being fed through a tube and cant communicate.
    however he could escape.........
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Do you want to actually answer the question?
    look up
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    (Original post by LALA LAND)
    yes but he was given a sentence for a crime he committed and the subsequent extras for escaping, if we let him get away wit not serving some of that original sentence it would be like telling criminals to go and steal, kill etc with the chance of escaping the country and returning in a matter of years and getting away with it. use your logic! he would very much have served that sentence, if it wasnt for his ill-health. but due to this ill-health, his age and all the other factors it was only human to let him out early.
    like lets be honest hes being released effectively to die! more ironically hes basically already free the hospital he is currently in getting care, the Norwich and Norfolk Hospital is where he is going to stay and most likely die, only difference being minus 3 prison guards!
    Sadly the only winners in this situation, ironically is the public, who will save money not having to pay for three prison guards, guarding a bed ridden man, who is currently being fed through a tube and cant communicate.
    however he could escape.........
    Er...I don't think you read my question to Kolya. :confused:
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Do you want to actually answer the question?
    As I said, I don't know the answer to the question. It's not entirely clear to the observer the reasons why he was put in prison, so his release is hardly a worry either.
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    he has spent eight years in jail (again-he's 79) and only played a minor part in the actualrobbery. a robbery that happened 60 years ago! and stole a few million if ppl are still pissed off with that then they should really find a hobby. the fact is he's getting released early which half the ppl done for assault, domestic abuse, rape, murder etc where ppl actually get hurt get off with, so realistically a 79 year old in poor health is walking away after only eight years in jail?! omg what are we gonna do??? the boyfriend in the baby P incident only got a 10 year sentence for rape and 12 for the murder- put things in perspective!
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    No.
    He did a crime, ran away to Brazil for how many years, and when he realised he was clapping out, he decided to come back.
    It's not right, and sends out the wrong sort of message.
    For me, it doesn't matter that he's old. He should've thought about this when he was younger.
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    (Original post by caveman89)
    he has spent eight years in jail (again-he's 79) and only played a minor part in the actualrobbery. a robbery that happened 60 years ago! and stole a few million if ppl are still pissed off with that then they should really find a hobby. the fact is he's getting released early which half the ppl done for assault, domestic abuse, rape, murder etc where ppl actually get hurt get off with, so realistically a 79 year old in poor health is walking away after only eight years in jail?! omg what are we gonna do??? the boyfriend in the baby P incident only got a 10 year sentence for rape and 12 for the murder- put things in perspective!
    So your argument, to sum up, is we should let him go because lots of other people get off or get ridiculously short sentences. Yeah! Makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Mr Advice)
    So, why don't we release other 80 yr-olds in prison? Why only Biggs?
    Because he's wicked innit:

    He had the ballz to rob, not a poxy city bank, but a whole friggin train! Respect!

    He escaped from a high security prison. Bad Ass!

    He evaded capture and manage to flee to Brazil with his swag and had massive cocaine parties and orgies whilst giving the police the finger: WIN!

    And he did it without killing anyone...EPIC WIN!

    :yes:
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    He's a bit of a legend tbh
    So was Jack The Ripper.
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    (Original post by NDGAARONDI)
    So was Jack The Ripper.
    Jack the Ripper was a freemason :ninja:
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    So your argument, to sum up, is we should let him go because lots of other people get off or get ridiculously short sentences. Yeah! Makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:
    no my argument dumbass is that a justice system is meant to be fair and equal, as well as fit the crime. which is not done what making an 80 year old in poor health spend more time in jail for robbery (not murder or another extreme) after eight years of already doing so. Making him stay in jail creates no benefit to society and is a mockery of a fair system. and yeah it does make perfect sense you patronising ****.
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    He did a crime decades ago, then fled to another country to avoid the rap.
    He finally comes back trying to make himself out to be a decent guy because he "did the right thing" and then after spending only 7 or so years in he is released just because he is old and frail? What about any other prisoner in the past that might not have been released even though they are old, frail, or dying?

    Frankly it's a publicity thing and his son has been making him out to be much more of a poor old victim than he really is

    Frankly he should have just been left to die in prison.
    He did the crime, he should do the time, regardless.
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    Am I the only one who thinks the whole thing is completely arbitrary and overblown by the media? It doesn't matter, all the debate comes down to is semantics as people try to decide if he is free, on his hospital bed quite likely to die soon. People who think he should still be imprisoned are spiteful, that's all there is too it, now can everyone forget about this and move on to other things?
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    To be fair, dying in a hospital bed on a drip is hardly 'freedom'...
 
 
 
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