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    Is there any evidence which suggests that feminism has been furthered by institutions to destabilize society?

    I have to be careful what I write here because a) whenever I write about Jews, I get a warning, even though I am clearly anti anti-semitic. b) whenever I write about women I get a warning for being a chauvanist. c) whenever I write about black people I get a warning for being racist. d) whenever I write about gay people I get a warning for being homophobic. e) Whenever I write religion I also get a warning.

    But what if feminism has been used to destabilize society?

    There is some evidence that the CIA had employed feminist revolutionary Gloria Steinem. In case you don't know her you will find her profile very interesting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem

    You will also find this interesting too:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstockings

    I resists linking to Henry Makow's site because some of his views center on a critique of the Jewish bankers runing America's corporate elite - I know that doing so would get me more warnings from the Mods. So I will not link to it. I think makow's take on the CIA and how they aim to break down society are fascinating.

    If we cannot criticise things like this because someone is going to shout "racist!" or "Homophobe!" or "Anti-Semite!" or even "Fascist", "Socialist!", "Communist" and "anti-religionist!" then we are heading for trouble, I think. In fact, we are somewhat knee deep in trouble with Islam and how we are unable, it seems, to criticize it without being called "racist!", as if Islam was a race!!

    I resist mentioning anything about Jews at great length here for fear of being labelled an anti-Semite, even though I myself admire Jews especially the Diaspora Jews, I don't like Jewish bankers, but then I don't have to, or do I?

    Some people are just so quick to jump and start name calling without realising that behind some of our reasons for criticizing groups there is some genuine rationale.

    So to return to feminism, I think women's emancipation was good and so was the fight for women's rites, but I think we payed a price that was too high; that the men should become demasculinised. That's not good! It's not good for women either.

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    Feminism has never been a bad thing! Only males with fragile egos think it's a bad thing, because men want to believe they are superior, even if there's no chance of that, period!

    Males with fragile egos???? Nice display of wanton male hatred there.

    because some feminist have become fascist feminist taking everything to the limit. What i mean the other day i was out w/ my wife and her friends at a bar. They were having a drink when one of them said " oh this drink is strong." and i said "ya it's a manly drink." and she about flipped out when I said this. Then she went on a rant about women being strong and everything else you could imagine. I was tryin to tell her it was just a figure of speech and that just made her more pissed. I say ease up a bit and don't take it so literally. It almost felt like she was a pastor or minister trying to feed me on religion. Damn man hater.

    Funny.

    Feminism used to be about furthering the cause of women... it was about fighting for the right to make a living for yourselves because quite frankly, the men at that time were lousy stewards of their family, and wife's needs. They were taking women for granted, and would often leave their wife alone, penniless, and without a job or even much of an education to be able to secure a job to fend for herself.

    Well guess what? Those times are over... now feminism isnt about a female rights, its purely about female superiority... it has become a competition between men and women... Women are trying to now systematically change fact, for example, when I have an argument with my girlfriend about the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger than women, and men can build more muscle mass than women, and she argues with me that its not true, and there are SOME women who have more muscle Mass than SOME men... Well no kidding... if you put up a body builder against a skinny whimp yes thats true, but for the most part that is not the case, and given the chance, that skinny man can still develop more muscle mass than she can if he has the discipline.

    I agree, from experience as well.

    So at the risk of getting a warning from someone who never ever understands my posts, do you think feminism has been used to destabilize society?

    If so, is that the fault of men or of women? Is it no-one's fault? Are all human created ideologies, like rights and equality, mere blind systems that spin out of control?

    More importantly, is the demasculinization of men leading to the increase of crime and disatisfaction with life amongst young men today? Could limited demasculinisation of men (some men) help to ease the burden on men of having to always be the alpha male?

    What ye think?

    Personally I think the war of the sexes is not over and perhaps will continue. There may be a middle ground somewhere, but what will happen to culture? Will it break down because the pace and progression has leveled off into a middle ground? At the middle ground, who will be ruler?
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Is there any evidence which suggests that feminism has been furthered by institutions to destabilize society?

    I have to be careful what I write here because a) whenever I write about Jews, I get a warning, even though I am clearly anti anti-semitic. b) whenever I write about women I get a warning for being a chauvanist. c) whenever I write about black people I get a warning for being racist. d) whenever I write about gay people I get a warning for being homophobic. e) Whenever I write religion I also get a warning.

    But what if feminism has been used to destabilize society?

    There is some evidence that the CIA had employed feminist revolutionary Gloria Steinem. In case you don't know her you will find her profile very interesting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem

    You will also find this interesting too:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstockings

    I resists linking to Henry Makow's site because some of his views center on a critique of the Jewish bankers runing America's corporate elite - I know that doing so would get me more warnings from the Mods. So I will not link to it. I think makow's take on the CIA and how they aim to break down society are fascinating.

    If we cannot criticise things like this because someone is going to shout "racist!" or "Homophobe!" or "Anti-Semite!" or even "Fascist", "Socialist!", "Communist" and "anti-religionist!" then we are heading for trouble, I think. In fact, we are somewhat knee deep in trouble with Islam and how we are unable, it seems, to criticize it without being called "racist!", as if Islam was a race!!

    I resist mentioning anything about Jews at great length here for fear of being labelled an anti-Semite, even though I myself admire Jews especially the Diaspora Jews, I don't like Jewish bankers, but then I don't have to, or do I?

    Some people are just so quick to jump and start name calling without realising that behind some of our reasons for criticizing groups there is some genuine rationale.

    So to return to feminism, I think women's emancipation was good and so was the fight for women's rites, but I think we payed a price that was too high; that the men should become demasculinised. That's not good! It's not good for women either.

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    Feminism has never been a bad thing! Only males with fragile egos think it's a bad thing, because men want to believe they are superior, even if there's no chance of that, period!

    Males with fragile egos???? Nice display of wanton male hatred there.

    because some feminist have become fascist feminist taking everything to the limit. What i mean the other day i was out w/ my wife and her friends at a bar. They were having a drink when one of them said " oh this drink is strong." and i said "ya it's a manly drink." and she about flipped out when I said this. Then she went on a rant about women being strong and everything else you could imagine. I was tryin to tell her it was just a figure of speech and that just made her more pissed. I say ease up a bit and don't take it so literally. It almost felt like she was a pastor or minister trying to feed me on religion. Damn man hater.

    Funny.

    Feminism used to be about furthering the cause of women... it was about fighting for the right to make a living for yourselves because quite frankly, the men at that time were lousy stewards of their family, and wife's needs. They were taking women for granted, and would often leave their wife alone, penniless, and without a job or even much of an education to be able to secure a job to fend for herself.

    Well guess what? Those times are over... now feminism isnt about a female rights, its purely about female superiority... it has become a competition between men and women... Women are trying to now systematically change fact, for example, when I have an argument with my girlfriend about the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger than women, and men can build more muscle mass than women, and she argues with me that its not true, and there are SOME women who have more muscle Mass than SOME men... Well no kidding... if you put up a body builder against a skinny whimp yes thats true, but for the most part that is not the case, and given the chance, that skinny man can still develop more muscle mass than she can if he has the discipline.

    I agree, from experience as well.

    So at the risk of getting a warning from someone who never ever understands my posts, do you think feminism has been used to destabilize society?

    If so, is that the fault of men or of women? Is it no-one's fault? Are all human created ideologies, like rights and equality, mere blind systems that spin out of control?

    More importantly, is the demasculinization of men leading to the increase of crime and disatisfaction with life amongst young men today? Could limited demasculinisation of men (some men) help to ease the burden on men of having to always be the alpha male?

    What ye think?

    Personally I think the war of the sexes is not over and perhaps will continue. There may be a middle ground somewhere, but what will happen to culture? Will it break down because the pace and progression has leveled off into a middle ground? At the middle ground, who will be ruler?
    m8 ur a guy with his eyes WIDE open and i pretty much agree with u.im a muslim so i guess i tend not to follow modern norms and wteva the government or media tells me to do which is y i agree with u but thosde who have no morals or beliefs usually are the one who get easily manipulated although not everytime
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    No, just grow a pair and butch up.
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    No, it has been used to establish equal rights and opportunities for women.

    Obviously any kind of change 'destablizies' things somewhat because the change brings with it some level of challange to the current way of doing things, but that by no means means that it's a bad thing. There aren't many values that don't in any way get amended over time. People just need to accept that as time goes on people often think of better ways of doing things.
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    (Original post by Spiderman)
    No, it has been used to establish equal rights and opportunities for women.
    True to an extent. However, (white) feminism has overlooked issues concerning black women. For example, while feminists campaign for pay parity with men, they have failed to account why white women get secretary jobs while black women get the dead end jobs like cleaning. I tend to think that different theories are best for each situation rather than life as a whole.
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    Feminism is a consequence of an cultural uncertainty, not a cause of it.
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    Feminism is unscientific and illogical: not all men are equal, not all women are equal, hence, men and women are unequal. Men and women serve different but complimetary roles. A family consists of complimentary functions for which a man and woman together are capable, but neither covers fully on their own. Additionally, every being in society should perform the function for which they are most specialized, so some people will do labor, others work in labs, others manage projects, others raise children, etc. To have people perform tasks for which they are ill-suited makes no sense, even if it provides "proof" that one sex is capable of dabbling in that task or even being moderately successful as an exception to the norm. Surely some women can be good CEOs or bricklayers or astronauts, but the normal psychologies and traits of men and women often greatly favor one sex over the other for tasks. Fighting nature unnecessarily is illogical. I am a realist so I think the exceptions to these generalizations should be considered and valued; women with great ability, strength and intelligence should not be restrained or opposed.

    Feminism is also tied in with materialism and capitalism, it turns women (and men) into economic products; this is not 'liberation'. Now, women are only thought of as commerce and sexual playthings, and become increasingly neurotic.

    See also:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-health.html
    http://www.ifeminists.net/introducti...08roberts.html
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300
    http://www.corrupt.org/news/the_poss...minist_society
    http://www.amerika.org/2009/social-r...selling-women/
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    (Original post by EarthlyLove)
    Feminism is unscientific and illogical: not all men are equal, not all women are equal, hence, men and women are unequal. Men and women serve different but complimetary roles. A family consists of complimentary functions for which a man and woman together are capable, but neither covers fully on their own. Additionally, every being in society should perform the function for which they are most specialized, so some people will do labor, others work in labs, others manage projects, others raise children, etc. To have people perform tasks for which they are ill-suited makes no sense, even if it provides "proof" that one sex is capable of dabbling in that task or even being moderately successful as an exception to the norm. Surely some women can be good CEOs or bricklayers or astronauts, but the normal psychologies and traits of men and women often greatly favor one sex over the other for tasks. Fighting nature unnecessarily is illogical. I am a realist so I think the exceptions to these generalizations should be considered and valued; women with great ability, strength and intelligence should not be restrained or opposed.

    Feminism is also tied in with materialism and capitalism, it turns women (and men) into economic products; this is not 'liberation'. Now, women are only thought of as commerce and sexual playthings, and become increasingly neurotic.

    See also:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-health.html
    http://www.ifeminists.net/introducti...08roberts.html
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300
    http://www.corrupt.org/news/the_poss...minist_society
    http://www.amerika.org/2009/social-r...selling-women/
    How about reading about feminist who critique feminist theory such as Emma Goldmann... Pretty cool woman.
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    (Original post by EarthlyLove)
    Feminism is unscientific and illogical: not all men are equal, not all women are equal, hence, men and women are unequal. Men and women serve different but complimetary roles. A family consists of complimentary functions for which a man and woman together are capable, but neither covers fully on their own. Additionally, every being in society should perform the function for which they are most specialized, so some people will do labor, others work in labs, others manage projects, others raise children, etc. To have people perform tasks for which they are ill-suited makes no sense, even if it provides "proof" that one sex is capable of dabbling in that task or even being moderately successful as an exception to the norm. Surely some women can be good CEOs or bricklayers or astronauts, but the normal psychologies and traits of men and women often greatly favor one sex over the other for tasks. Fighting nature unnecessarily is illogical. I am a realist so I think the exceptions to these generalizations should be considered and valued; women with great ability, strength and intelligence should not be restrained or opposed.

    Feminism is also tied in with materialism and capitalism, it turns women (and men) into economic products; this is not 'liberation'. Now, women are only thought of as commerce and sexual playthings, and become increasingly neurotic.

    See also:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-health.html
    http://www.ifeminists.net/introducti...08roberts.html
    http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1300
    http://www.corrupt.org/news/the_poss...minist_society
    http://www.amerika.org/2009/social-r...selling-women/
    Excellent Post.
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    No and society has never been "stabilised". Also there are several types of feminism and if one individual "feminist" has taken part in some covert operation planned by the CIA it does not mean to say all feminists exist to destabilise society.
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    You haven't actually given any examples of the sort of destabilization that feminism has caused. Just random opinions on feminism. Who cares what your girlfriend thinks?

    The political applications of feminism are largely of the liberal variety and simply support equality of opportunity.
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    It has destabalised society, especially in the last 60 years, but so what?
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    The organised mainstream feminist movement seems to me to have become something that exists for its own sake, rather than to actually advance the cause of women's freedom and women's wellbeing. Much like happened to the Christian church after Jesus died.

    The insistence on blaming and demonising all men has created a situation where not only are the great majority of men alienated by feminism (despite almost all of them fundamentally agreeing with what should be the aims of feminism) but most women as well see feminism as a movement which is out of touch with reality and their needs.

    And that's sad, because women in this country still suffer from serious problems (sexual predation and inferior employment opportunities foremost amoing them) and now they have no serious, respected political movement to represent them and push to get these problems sorted.
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    No Feminism is still very much about achieving equality for women, because by no means are men and women treated equally in society at the moment.

    Women in high paid jobs don't nearly make up 50% of the employees, when statistically they should do (I know there are different amounts of unemployment amongst men and women however at the moment there are still massive differences) and women on average get paid more than 15% less than men, so at the moment feminism is still very much about achieving equality for women.
 
 
 
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