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    No remorse, hasn't served his time, I don't see how this man is a "legend". He only came back to the UK to "hand himself in" because he'd blown all his money and wanted the free medical care.
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    Sir Ronnie Biggs is a legend of the highest order.
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    (Original post by Transatlanticdrawl_)
    No remorse, hasn't served his time, I don't see how this man is a "legend". He only came back to the UK to "hand himself in" because he'd blown all his money and wanted the free medical care.
    It had been made quite clear he could have had medical care in Brazil, he certainly had the fanbase to pay for it.

    He came back to England to die.
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    (Original post by cascadingstylez)
    BS!


    Jack Straw took a second look at Biggs and chose to release him. Meaning, he served his time.

    No he didn't. Tell me again how many of his 30 odd years he has served.
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    The man stole £2.6 million of public money, nearly killing an innocent man in the process, escaped from jail and went on the run for 35 years, flaunting his freedom to the world and living a very nice life. The man is not a legend - he's a criminal, and I have no respect for him.
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    (Original post by Jim-ie)
    It had been made quite clear he could have had medical care in Brazil, he certainly had the fanbase to pay for it.

    He came back to England to die.
    Maybe, so they say. But they would say that, wouldn't they. He isn't a sir, isn't a legend, and he should do his full sentence.
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    (Original post by Transatlanticdrawl_)
    No he didn't. Tell me again how many of his 30 odd years he has served.
    He's done around 8. He came back in 2001, plus the time he did before he escaped.

    8 years is plenty. As I said, my cousin is out this year for armed robbery, he got 8 years. When he comes out he would have done 5.

    Biggs did his time.
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    Compared to crime these days, what they did was absolutely nothing! Yet he will go down as this great infamous robber, who masterminded an amazing crime, etc. etc.

    It is not a very interesting story, and yes he was on the run, so deserves to be punished but there are much bigger crimes out there which are unsolved, or where the perpetrators have received ridiculously lenient sentences, so there is more to cpmplain about with those.
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    (Original post by cascadingstylez)
    He's done around 8. He came back in 2001, plus the time he did before he escaped.

    8 years is plenty. As I said, my cousin is out this year for armed robbery, he got 8 years. When he comes out he would have done 5.

    Biggs did his time.
    Armed robbery isn't millions of pounds, and beating an innocent man senseless, as a gang. I might even meet you in the middle and agree 8 years is enough, but only if he'd done it originally. The fact he ****** off abroad and lived the life, makes it a whole lot worse, and he should have to do more than 8 for those reasons.
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    (Original post by Transatlanticdrawl_)
    Maybe, so they say. But they would say that, wouldn't they. He isn't a sir, isn't a legend, and he should do his full sentence.
    Maybe when you remove the stick from your jacksie you'll see why he doesnt need to serve the full sentence. The man is on the verge of dying. I don't think the role of prison punishment is needed here.

    30 years for robbing a train, get tae..... you get less for murder.
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    (Original post by cascadingstylez)
    He's done around 8. He came back in 2001, plus the time he did before he escaped.

    8 years is plenty. As I said, my cousin is out this year for armed robbery, he got 8 years. When he comes out he would have done 5.

    Biggs did his time.
    I do hope you don't have double standards and that if someone beats you with an iron bar and steals all your money, you laud them and hope they get let out early.
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    (Original post by Prudy)
    I do hope you don't have double standards and that if someone beats you with an iron bar and steals all your money, you laud them and hope they get let out early.
    That has nothing to do with my opinion on Biggs. You can't use that as defense for an argument/debate.

    I didn't get beaten, I wasn't the victim in this case. So it don't concern me. He did the crime, he eventually did the time.
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    The justice system wanted to make an example of him.

    People who commit murder go in and out of jail like there is no tomorrow. Whereas an old man, who along with 15 other men, pulled off on the biggest robberies of the 20th Century had to serve their time, and the one who got away and willingly came back (Biggs) was made to serve the remaining years of his 30 years in prison.
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    (Original post by Transatlanticdrawl_)
    Armed robbery isn't millions of pounds, and beating an innocent man senseless, as a gang. I might even meet you in the middle and agree 8 years is enough, but only if he'd done it originally. The fact he ****** off abroad and lived the life, makes it a whole lot worse, and he should have to do more than 8 for those reasons.
    He didn't actually live the life much of the time - he lived in great poverty at times as his criminal record kept him from securing work. Indeed, the only source of income he had was one of flaunting his crime and sticking it to Britain.

    Also, you're giving him a lot more credit than he deserves in his part in the robbery. To accuse him of both 'stealing millions' and 'beating a man senseless' is to greatly overstate his part in the crimes. He's a dying old man who made a plea of compassion, and Jack Straw honoured that. That's something we can be proud of - remorse. Heck, Straw even got something out of it by reneging on his earlier decision to let him stay where he was.
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    (Original post by cascadingstylez)
    That has nothing to do with my opinion on Biggs. You can't use that as defense for an argument/debate.

    I didn't get beaten, I wasn't the victim in this case. So it don't concern me. He did the crime, he eventually did the time.
    I fear I can't use anything in a debate against you, you seem like you're the sort of chap that convinces yourself your opinion is definitly right, and then ignore everything that stand in te way of it.

    Well, I shall leave you to your public lexicla masturbation session of the man, the legend, the corpse that is Ronnie 'the Biggs' Biggs.
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    (Original post by trachimbrod)
    He didn't actually live the life much of the time - he lived in great poverty at times as his criminal record kept him from securing work. Indeed, the only source of income he had was one of flaunting his crime and sticking it to Britain.

    Also, you're giving him a lot more credit than he deserves in his part in the robbery. To accuse him of both 'stealing millions' and 'beating a man senseless' is to greatly overstate his part in the crimes. He's a dying old man who made a plea of compassion, and Jack Straw honoured that. That's something we can be proud of - remorse. Heck, Straw even got something out of it by reneging on his earlier decision to let him stay where he was.
    Rep+. Perfect.
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    (Original post by Prudy)
    I fear I can't use anything in a debate against you, you seem like you're the sort of chap that convinces yourself your opinion is definitly right, and then ignore everything that stand in te way of it.

    Well, I shall leave you to your public lexicla masturbation session of the man, the legend, the corpse that is Ronnie 'the Biggs' Biggs.
    Thank you.
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    He chose to live a life as a criminal, caring not for the misery his actions caused others. He showed contempt for the justice system by hopping jail well before his sentence had finished, and then proceeded to use and abuse those around him in order to avoid extradition for many, many years.

    I have very little sympathy for him, and would rather see him die in jail. He had time left to serve.
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    Legend.
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    (Original post by Prudy)
    I fear I can't use anything in a debate against you, you seem like you're the sort of chap that convinces yourself your opinion is definitly right, and then ignore everything that stand in te way of it.

    Well, I shall leave you to your public lexicla masturbation session of the man, the legend, the corpse that is Ronnie 'the Biggs' Biggs.

    ^^^THIS^^^ Well said!

    Reading his posts it plain to see he's just picked an opinion without really condisering the fact. God help us if he's ever called up for Jury service!

    cascadingstylez, I too leave you to you "opinion" ...
 
 
 
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