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    (Original post by PAPAdawg)
    you gave some examples yourself. it is a skeleton key in a court of law....the idea of any single entity, government or n ot, having total control over it should terrify any normal person. framing people who disagree with the govt, using it to stitch up the opposition or just your everyday citizen......all these things are basically just modern/futuristic forms of the way that dictators have and still do operate. just look at hitler, mussloinim or saddam. british people are too complacent about their govt imo. govt should be kept small anyway, but that's just my opinion.
    I gave a ridiculous example which is impossible to do. Do you even know what a non-coding SNP is?

    If a government is willing to fabricate evidence against you, which is the only thing you seem to be able to come up with, having a dna database isn't going to make a slight bit of difference. I think that'd be the least of your worries. Just like if they really wanted they could alter or plant evidence, alter records, bribe juries, or hell, just get rid of a dair trial at all.
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    (Original post by Kiwiguy)
    Its also ironic that a supposed left wing goverment is acting like a right wing sub facist party..
    Authoritarianism is not exclusive to any one political 'wing' - indeed, I'd say it's generally more evident in left-wing politics. Then again, I'd say what makes me right wing is a belief in free markets, free trade, personal liberty and so forth - all things that are inherently liberal. I'm not sure quite what I am supposed to share, ideologically, with other types of supposed right-wingers: the social conservatives, the theocrats, the anti-immigrationists etc.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    well the court of human rights has no real power here. It gives a judgment, but there is no reason for us to implement their decision.
    Because it is the law, presumably, and that all public authorities - whenever possible within the strictest meaning of the law - are obliged to comply with it?
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Because it is the law, presumably, and that all public authorities - whenever possible within the strictest meaning of the law - are obliged to comply with it?
    Not really. The courts have to read the law in a way that conforms with the declaration of human rights unless it expressly says it is going against one of its articles, but the court of human rights only advises really. The courts here can ignore it.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Not really. The courts have to read the law in a way that conforms with the declaration of human rights unless it expressly says it is going against one of its articles, but the court of human rights only advises really. The courts here can ignore it.
    Yes, but ultimately any British court has to take into account the judgments of the European Court unless there is some obvious reason to disregard them. There really isn't. As such, a British court would presumably make the same findings on the same point of law in this situation as the ECtHR.
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    (Original post by PAPAdawg)
    my point is you don't know. remember, the future is vast and history tells you how remarkably common the elctorate find themselves living under a dictatorship. the dna databse ios just one example of the kind of surveillence state which would be just one more barrier in the way of deposing such a person

    i'm sure if you told people that 6 million jews would be killed by an elected politician prior to the last century you'd have been laughed at....remarkable things can happen when power gets into the wrong hands...which is why the state needs to be as small as it can possibly be. that'd a classical liberal view and not an unreasonable one i dont think
    "poppycock".

    No extreme government, communist, fascist, has ever been elected democratically in a major country.

    Britain has had a functioning moderate democracy for 300 years.

    You don't have history to support you so you come up with the "anything can happen in the future argument". No. Anything can't happen in the future. Why? Because anything HASN'T happened in the "future" of the past. The only reason to assume that it must is to back up your extremely paranoid and illogical argument.
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    This is insane. A DNA database is next to useless anyway because of the insanely high probability of false matches, even if the probability of a coincidental match may appear low. Here, try this quick 'n dirty exercise to see what I'm talking about:

    From the telegraph.co.uk (Saturday, 24 October 2006): Tony Blair called yesterday for the national DNA database to be expanded to include every citizen.

    • Assume a murder has been committed and that a DNA sample found on the crime
    scene is compared against 60,000,000 UK citizens who have their DNA on record
    in a database.
    • A suspect is identified by virtue of his profile providing the only match in the DNA
    database.
    • At the trial it is testified that the probability that two DNA profiles match by
    chance is only 1 in 20,000,000.


    What is the probability that there is at least one DNA match by chance?
    And that's before we even get to the whole abuse of power issue.
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    (Original post by PAPAdawg)
    exactly my point, and given the infinity that is the future who knows what else. it only takes one dictator to come along and the database will be a useful tool for him
    Well personally i'm in favour of keeping any criminals details for ever, including those charged but not convicted.

    But not everyone.
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    If a person with aspergers syndrome can hack into the US computers, what to say a terrorist can't hack into the database in the UK. A person can easily hack into and change stuff such as the dna on the database.

    Why do we need to an id card? When we have passports, bills etc...to prove who that person genuinely is...In order to obtain an id card you need identification, so the id is frankly pointless...

    Even the head of MI5 intelligence services, police forces etc... say we do not an id card, or have keep the dna on the database. It is going against privacy rights of individuals living in the UK. They even said we don't need these measures...

    The real threat in the UK is from Gordon Brown and the labour party.

    I have nothing to hide, but I certainly am against this Politcally correct Big Brother Orwellian dictatorship in this country.

    It is ironic that if this happened in Communist China or even in Iran it would be called a dictatorship. If it is in the UK, it is democracy.

    Left Leo- That is what they said to the Jews when Hitler came into power. It can be abused and has been before... In this democracy, it is ironic that the House of Lords the unelected body in Parliament has done more protect our civil liberties from this treacherous government than elected body the House of Commons. Our last fringe hope lies with the HoL.
 
 
 
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