Discussion about EDL/UAF confrontations in Birmingham Watch

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I don't even see why the UAF felt the need to show up. The protest "against Islamic Fundamentalism" isn't "fascist" and they had nothing to "unite against". Morons.
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this is some theory you jus made it up right there and then, or there is facts, figures and sources behind it? :rolleyes:

That is my opinion although i have heard members of MI5 echo simialar beliefs albeit they caught on much later.
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I don't even see why the UAF felt the need to show up. The protest "against Islamic Fundamentalism" isn't "fascist" and they had nothing to "unite against". Morons.
The protest was probably a thinly veiled disguise race issue march
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The constant media onslaught on Muslims creating this alarmist hysteria.
And it is not only the Muslims, let's take the poorest social group in the EU. The Roma. This is a picture of dead Roma children on an Italian beach with people lazily soaking up the sun with no concern- not very typical of the most respectable region now is it?



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Well that's hardly a surprise, they were after all allies with Nazi Germany...

1 - NOW, it's been said so many times. BUT this all escalates from the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan. Muslims think they are being attacked by the west (Christians) now, that should not come as a shock to most sane people.

2 - When the troops returned, you have to notice that only about 6/7 MUSLIM FANATICS were protesting against the troops, why are people not seeing that the whole Muslim population was NOT THERE?!! - This is also making them angry. People see one muslim do wrong, and they are all regarded the SAME!

3 - There are a few intolerant Muslims. They do not like people of other religions, so try to convert them by any means necessary (just like the Fundamentalist Christian Missionaries)

4 - Muslims NEED to be able to allow other people to erect places of worship in other Islamic countries, just like they are allowed too. Saudi Arabia being one, because they are so close to the western world.


Why do they not allow that? Mohammed says, 'there is no compulsion in religion, and you to your faith and me to mine' (or words to that effect) so why is that passage not made a song and dance about, but only the extreme ones buy Muslims?
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Are the English Welsh Defence League racist nazis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ltjFp2JKE

This video clearly shows the protesters had several black members and supporters, but the UAF call them nazi and racist-and this whips up the crowd who attacks innocent whites doing their shopping.
Given your user name :
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/Triskele.asp

I don't think we need your advice on who is or is not a Nazi.

But hey - after Saturday maybe 777 stands for the "seven shades of ****" kicked-out of your mates.
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Did the Asians win the riot?
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Did the Asians win the riot?
It wasn't just Asians - look the famous photo that ol'777 is bleating about - most of them were Black. And yes the

"Cash(uals) got bashed".

They hoped it would be like Luton - where they turned-up mob-handed and beat up Asians and smashed up shops and then scooted. But they walked into a well prepared response and got a salutary kicking.
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According to another forum I read apparently there were BNP members there pretending not to be BNP members, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7461/notbnp.jpg
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The protest was probably a thinly veiled disguise race issue march
It wasn't like that at all.

All last week in Birmingham City Centre flyers were being handed out to people, saying there was to be an Anti Islamic-Extremist Demonstration on 8th August at 6pm.

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from around 4pm onwards there had been hundreds and hundreds of UAF members conducting their own demonstration in a different part of the city centre. The UAF woman who is on a lot of the videos on youtube shouting "Our Streets! Our Streets!" down a microphone is actually an Elected Councillor here in Birmingham. It was a DISGRACE how that woman was encouraging hostility and encouraging the UAF into hostile behaviour. As soon as she got on the mic all hell started to break loose.

Everyone keeps banging on about it was the BNP and the EDL...that is all nonsense, the BNP wern't even there! And the EDL guys were kept guarded by the police in Pidgeon Park!!! The only white thugs that got ugly on saturday were a bunch of idiots who'd came out of local pub.

It was only after the Asians got violent towards the guys in Pidgeon Park that the EDL ended up being unprotected, because the police had to move and charge an Asian crowd out of the park and onto the bottom of New St...which is where the UAF demo was.

The UAF had signs saying BNP this and BNP that. It's a disgrace how those UAF people turned an Anti Islamic Extremist demo into an attack on the BNP.

All the news coverage is completely bias too. Loads more white people were attacked on the day, other than the same people you keep seeing pictures of. No asians or blacks were harmed AT ALL. The lad in the green t-shirt that you see in all the pictures had nothing to do with either demonstration, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the "wrong" skin colour. The old man who you see being kicked, having the union jack taken away is an innocent man! He was a west brom supporter who was angry at his team. But because he was carrying the Union Jack all the Asians assumed he was BNP. The old man was on his own, do you really think he would of walked into that violence if he was BNP, on his own?!

I'm disgusted at how the Muslims in this city are constantly being protected. EVERYONE knows that if the picture in the papers was actually an Asian lad being beaten by 10 white guys it would be a totally different affair.
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Just because racists are not holding up BNP banners doesn;t mean they were not there (racists that is, BNP or not)
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(Original post by Clubber Lang)
The protest was probably a thinly veiled disguise race issue march
No, it really wasn't. Some of the protestors may well have been, but the initial protest was perfectly reasonable and went along peacefully until the UAF decided to turn up and gob off because it may have been mildly offensive to muslims.
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It wasn't like that at all.

All last week in Birmingham City Centre flyers were being handed out to people, saying there was to be an Anti Islamic-Extremist Demonstration on 8th August at 6pm.

BUT

from around 4pm onwards there had been hundreds and hundreds of UAF members conducting their own demonstration in a different part of the city centre. The UAF woman who is on a lot of the videos on youtube shouting "Our Streets! Our Streets!" down a microphone is actually an Elected Councillor here in Birmingham. It was a DISGRACE how that woman was encouraging hostility and encouraging the UAF into hostile behaviour. As soon as she got on the mic all hell started to break loose.

Everyone keeps banging on about it was the BNP and the EDL...that is all nonsense, the BNP wern't even there! And the EDL guys were kept guarded by the police in Pidgeon Park!!! The only white thugs that got ugly on saturday were a bunch of idiots who'd came out of local pub.

It was only after the Asians got violent towards the guys in Pidgeon Park that the EDL ended up being unprotected, because the police had to move and charge an Asian crowd out of the park and onto the bottom of New St...which is where the UAF demo was.

The UAF had signs saying BNP this and BNP that. It's a disgrace how those UAF people turned an Anti Islamic Extremist demo into an attack on the BNP.

All the news coverage is completely bias too. Loads more white people were attacked on the day, other than the same people you keep seeing pictures of. No asians or blacks were harmed AT ALL. The lad in the green t-shirt that you see in all the pictures had nothing to do with either demonstration, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the "wrong" skin colour. The old man who you see being kicked, having the union jack taken away is an innocent man! He was a west brom supporter who was angry at his team. But because he was carrying the Union Jack all the Asians assumed he was BNP. The old man was on his own, do you really think he would of walked into that violence if he was BNP, on his own?!

I'm disgusted at how the Muslims in this city are constantly being protected. EVERYONE knows that if the picture in the papers was actually an Asian lad being beaten by 10 white guys it would be a totally different affair.
What a load of ********. Read this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6790067.ece

BTW the Ghandian Pacifists of the EDL/Casuals also used their Luton demo to have a bit of fun beating-up random non-whites and smashing-up shops. And the coppers did f-all about it. Most of the kids who were "bashing the cash(uals)" on Saturday were nothing to do with the UAF - they were just protecting the streets of their city.
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The UAF were the violence inciters in this case.
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No, it really wasn't. Some of the protestors may well have been, but the initial protest was perfectly reasonable and went along peacefully until the UAF decided to turn up and gob off because it may have been mildly offensive to muslims.
apparently a lot of promotion of these rallies were done on right wing groups

just because it was apparently going to be a peaceful protest, doesn;t necessarily mean some of the protestors didn;t wnat more - and they go it.
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Just because racists are not holding up BNP banners doesn;t mean they were not there (racists that is, BNP or not)
Being rationally opposed to radical Islam doesn't make you a racist.
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Being rationally opposed to radical Islam doesn't make you a racist.
Being irrationally xenophobic does :wink2:
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Being rationally opposed to radical Islam doesn't make you a racist.
I never said it does.

But being a racist thug... makes you a racist thug, even if you want to high behind 'the league' or someother name/party

Paul Ray, who claims to be one of the founding members of the League, says that the group has been taken over by a cabal of extremists including Chris Renton, whose name appears on the list of BNP members leaked last year.

The group, which organises events on its website and through a Facebook group with 198 members, plans to hold its next large official gatherings in Harrow and Luton in August and then in Manchester in October.
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apparently a lot of promotion of these rallies were done on right wing groups

just because it was apparently going to be a peaceful protest, doesn;t necessarily mean some of the protestors didn;t wnat more - and they go it.
Yes, it was a right-wing rally, but that doesn't make it racist.

The protestors may have wanted more, but the fact being, the protest was peaceful, and would have been, if the UAF hadn't have turned up.

That said, the racist chants were abhorrent, but AFAIK, were done by outsiders.
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Being irrationally xenophobic does :wink2:
No it doesn't. I dislike some Americans - even though most of them are from white European stock - and Frenchies. In this case I'm mildly xenophobic but not a racist. I don't really see your point, considering the EDL was rationally protesting against radical Islam.
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(Original post by 35mm_)

That said, the racist chants were abhorrent, but AFAIK, were done by outsiders.
If the EDL do more protests knwoing others will tack on and cause riots - are they responsible for the trouble ensuing?
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