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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    The UAF were the violence inciters in this case.
    The UAF were irrelevant. It was self-defence by the population against aggression.

    Back in the '80s my old man was arrested in Southall when some skinhead scum turned-up for a gig by the "Four Skins". They got the kicking they deserved and nothing like that has happened since.

    People need to meet aggression with counter-violence otherwise the Nazis street-fighters get cocky. Saturday's well-deserved arse-kicking is a good start.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    No it doesn't. I dislike some Americans - even though most of them are from white European stock - and Frenchies. In this case I'm mildly xenophobic but not a racist. I don't really see your point, considering the EDL was rationally protesting against radical Islam.
    That isn't irrational xenophobia? :rolleyes:

    I think what would give the anti muslims a lot more credibility if they were lefties. You expect bigotry and intolerance from the righties :sadnod:
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    (Original post by Clubber Lang)
    If the EDL do more protests knwoing others will tack on and cause riots - are they responsible for the trouble ensuing?
    If I start a protest against Islamic fundamentalism, and idiots (non-related to my protest) sprawl out of local pubs and start chanting racist chants, am I responsible? I really doubt it.

    If the EDL (or any other little outfit) do more protests against religious (any one) fundamentalism, then I'll be happy. It's not racist, or fascist, and the originally demo wasn't an anti-Muslim demo, the UAF made it out to be one.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    If I start a protest against Islamic fundamentalism, and idiots (non-related to my protest) sprawl out of local pubs and start chanting racist chants, am I responsible? I really doubt it.

    If the EDL (or any other little outfit) do more protests against religious (any one) fundamentalism, then I'll be happy. It's not racist, or fascist, and the originally demo wasn't an anti-Muslim demo, the UAF made it out to be one.
    All good in theory, but if they knowingly march then they are aprtially responsible IMO

    Oh and there is no confirmation by anymeans that none of the original EDL protestors caused trouble.

    If they do another it will all end in tears, because racists will joint hem from the start this time
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    (Original post by juanmodesto)
    The UAF were irrelevant. It was self-defence by the population against aggression.
    Self-defence? Ahahah. You're deluded. If it were an anti-Muslim demo then I'd understand, but the EDL weren't being aggressive and weren't being racist towards Asians. The Asians were the first to start the aggression and the violence, which led to racist thugs (on both sides, remember people can be anti-white too :rolleyes: ) to chant what they chanted. And hence more violence and clashes.
    People need to meet aggression with counter-violence otherwise the Nazis street-fighters get cocky. Saturday's well-deserved arse-kicking is a good start.
    Don't be an idiot. How was it well-deserved? Protesting against fundamentalism isn't bloody Nazi esque.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    If I start a protest against Islamic fundamentalism, and idiots (non-related to my protest) sprawl out of local pubs and start chanting racist chants, am I responsible? I really doubt it.
    The EDL are a BNP front. And whether you are responsible or not you are very likely to be caught-up in the mêlée. Caveat emptor.
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    (Original post by Clubber Lang)
    All good in theory, but if they knowingly march then they are aprtially responsible IMO

    Oh and there is no confirmation by anymeans that none of the original EDL protestors caused trouble.

    If they do another it will all end in tears, because racists will joint hem from the start this time
    "We are not racists we are just against muslim extremists. Anyone from any ethnic background is welcome on this march if they are proud of Britain and oppose Islamic extremism. People will not be allowed to chant racist slogans or carry racist banners on this march. We will only allow people to bring union flags and placards and banners with pro British slogans on them. We have made it clear to local people in Birmingham that this march is not about stirring up racism. "
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    That isn't irrational xenophobia? :rolleyes:
    Yes it is. Lolz. :awesome:

    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    I think what would give the anti muslims a lot more credibility if they were lefties. You expect bigotry and intolerance from the righties :sadnod:
    Why should people be tolerant and accepting of fundamentalist Islam? It's been shown too much respect. I'm not going to just accept the potential that my country will revert to being a backward mediaeval theocracy for fear of "offending" anyone. If fundamentalist Muslims are so offended at being insulted by those in the country they hate (but are all too happy to be claiming benefits from) they can go back to their Saudi hellhole, where they're free to treat their women as slaves, flog (or is it stone?) homosexuals, and repress Christians. Why are they more offended at my dislike of such an odious prospect than I am at the suppression of my right to freely express these views without being labelled a "racist, Islamophobic, Nazi, fascist, imperialist, gay, kuffar, Jewish knobjockey"?
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    (Original post by juanmodesto)
    The EDL are a BNP front. And whether you are responsible or not you are very likely to be caught-up in the mêlée. Caveat emptor.
    I don't care whether they are or not, and I'm not fond of nationalist groups myself, but they weren't to blame for what happened on Saturday; the Asians (and UAF) were (but, of course, the liberal intelligentsia can't be seen to blame a minority :rolleyes: )
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    "We are not racists we are just against muslim extremists. Anyone from any ethnic background is welcome on this march if they are proud of Britain and oppose Islamic extremism. People will not be allowed to chant racist slogans or carry racist banners on this march. We will only allow people to bring union flags and placards and banners with pro British slogans on them. We have made it clear to local people in Birmingham that this march is not about stirring up racism. "
    :rolleyes: - then they are either liars or naive

    anyway, why bother marhcing against islamic funamentalism - do they thin kthey will achieve anything. if anythign a fundamentalist will get off on the rifts it cause and indeed may lead to more fundamentalism = fail.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    Self-defence? Ahahah. You're deluded. If it were an anti-Muslim demo then I'd understand, but the EDL weren't being aggressive and weren't being racist towards Asians. The Asians were the first to start the aggression and the violence, which led to racist thugs (on both sides, remember people can be anti-white too :rolleyes: ) to chant what they chanted. And hence more violence and clashes.

    Don't be an idiot. How was it well-deserved? Protesting against fundamentalism isn't bloody Nazi esque.
    Deluded? No - I'm afraid that would be you.
    These guys were up for a ruck - as witnessed by their extensive records. They just thought the odds were going to be on their side - as in Luton. Tough **** - they weren't!
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    (Original post by Clubber Lang)
    :rolleyes: - then they are either liars or naive
    No, not really. Asian people were allowed on the march if they opposed Islamic fundamentalism. I don't think their demo had anything to do with race :rolleyes:
    anyway, why bother marhcing against islamic funamentalism - do they thin kthey will achieve anything. if anythign a fundamentalist will get off on the rifts it cause and indeed may lead to more fundamentalism = fail.
    You could say that about any protest.. There is always a point to protests if you believe strongly enough in something.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    I don't care whether they are or not, and I'm not fond of nationalist groups myself, but they weren't to blame for what happened on Saturday; the Asians (and UAF) were (but, of course, the liberal intelligentsia can't be seen to blame a minority :rolleyes: )
    "The Asians" - despite the fact that all the evidence shows that at least half the defenders of Birmingham were Black.

    That kind of gives away your agenda.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Yes it is. Lolz. :awesome:



    Why should people be tolerant and accepting of fundamentalist Islam? It's been shown too much respect. I'm not going to just accept the potential that my country will revert to being a backward mediaeval theocracy for fear of "offending" anyone. If fundamentalist Muslims are so offended at being insulted by those in the country they hate (but are all too happy to be claiming benefits from) they can go back to their Saudi hellhole, where they're free to treat their women as slaves, flog (or is it stone?) homosexuals, and repress Christians. Why are they more offended at my dislike of such an odious prospect than I am at the suppression of my right to freely express these views without being labelled a "racist, Islamophobic, Nazi, fascist, imperialist, gay, kuffar, Jewish knobjockey"?
    No, disliking some americans and some frenchmen for acting in a bad way isn't xenophobia. It's a rational dislike :rolleyes:

    Well, while i know that YOU personally are a logically incoherent right wing Nazi, what you're saying isn't wrong in any way.

    Although mentioning the "repress Christians" sort of highlights your BNP roots :p:

    Infact, a lot of what you're saying i can trace off Pat Condell from youtube :p: Well, if you actually change your ways, i'll be happy, but i doubt you will :rolleyes:
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    How thick are some people on here? REALLY?

    If anyone here thinks the UAF are decent people you must be seriously brain washed.

    All the violence did start with the UAF, it's a fact to anyone who was their on the front line on Saturday.

    Now for anyone who doesn't know Birmingham. The UAF decided to have their demonstration right outside the Bull Ring, a huuuuge shopping centre, with them facing New St, probably the busiest street of shoppers in Birmingham any day of the week, let alone a saturday afternoon. Anyway, all the un-suspecting shoppers who walked out of the Bull Ring found themselves right in the middle of the UAF demo, not being able to properly escape the demo because of a line of police who were trying to keep it organized.

    Now for anyone whose tryna say it wasnt the UAF, OMG. I have about 8 leaflets that were handed to me advertising the UAF and what they stand for, these were handed to me whilst i was stuck in their demo after coming out of the Bull Ring from a tasty session in YO! Sushi.

    As soon as ONE white protester shouted something at the UAF from over the police line it kicked off. The UAF decided to tear up their picket fences and started throwing all the sticks, bottles and stones over the police line onto new street. Where hundreds of everyday shoppers were going about their business. Not to mention all the little children who were coming out of the Odeon that was 20ft away from it all.

    After all that the police decided to move their vans to just by the Odeon to create more of a barrier because they knew that because of what the UAF had just done with the sticks, bottles and stones that there was bound to be a backlash.

    Of course, there was.

    Now...when a handful of white trash approached the demo, and i mean 10 people MAX. (here is video proof btw)...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeyuhd2fJE

    ...as soon as those handful of white thugs approached and started shouting over to the UAF...it all kicked off again.

    The UAF simply can't protest in peace, their a disgrace. They put the lives of children at stake, they had their protest in the worst possible place. Don't try and defend them, it makes you an complete idiot.
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    (Original post by andywylde)
    How thick are some people on here? REALLY?

    If anyone here thinks the UAF are decent people you must be seriously brain washed.

    All the violence did start with the UAF, it's a fact to anyone who was their on the front line on Saturday.

    Now for anyone who doesn't know Birmingham. The UAF decided to have their demonstration right outside the Bull Ring, a huuuuge shopping centre, with them facing New St, probably the busiest street of shoppers in Birmingham any day of the week, let alone a saturday afternoon. Anyway, all the un-suspecting shoppers who walked out of the Bull Ring found themselves right in the middle of the UAF demo, not being able to properly escape the demo because of a line of police who were trying to keep it organized.

    Now for anyone whose tryna say it wasnt the UAF, OMG. I have about 8 leaflets that were handed to me advertising the UAF and what they stand for, these were handed to me whilst i was stuck in their demo after coming out of the Bull Ring from a tasty session in YO! Sushi.

    As soon as ONE white protester shouted something at the UAF from over the police line it kicked off. The UAF decided to tear up their picket fences and started throwing all the sticks, bottles and stones over the police line onto new street. Where hundreds of everyday shoppers were going about their business. Not to mention all the little children who were coming out of the Odeon that was 20ft away from it all.

    After all that the police decided to move their vans to just by the Odeon to create more of a barrier because they knew that because of what the UAF had just done with the sticks, bottles and stones that there was bound to be a backlash.

    Of course, there was.

    Now...when a handful of white trash approached the demo, and i mean 10 people MAX. (here is video proof btw)...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCeyuhd2fJE

    ...as soon as those handful of white thugs approached and started shouting over to the UAF...it all kicked off again.

    The UAF simply can't protest in peace, their a disgrace. They put the lives of children at stake, they had their protest in the worst possible place. Don't try and defend them, it makes you an complete idiot.
    Indeed. I can't see why people don't see this. The UAF are a disgrace.
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    (Original post by juanmodesto)
    "The Asians" - despite the fact that all the evidence shows that at least half the defenders of Birmingham were Black.

    That kind of gives away your agenda.
    What is my "agenda"? Are you trying to suggest I'm racist?

    If you are I shall laugh in your face, as will many of the people who I've debated with in the past.
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Well, while i know that YOU personally are a logically incoherent right wing Nazi, what you're saying isn't wrong in any way.
    Don't you dare call me a 'Nazi'. My forefathers died to defend this country from Nazi invasion. Take it back, you owe me an apology.

    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Although mentioning the "repress Christians" sort of highlights your BNP roots :p:
    Highlighting the fact that Christians living in Saudi Arabia are oppressed by fundamentalist Muslims is BNP-esque (who I don't actually support anyway)? Okay. :giggle:

    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Infact, a lot of what you're saying i can trace off Pat Condell from youtube :p: Well, if you actually change your ways, i'll be happy, but i doubt you will :rolleyes:
    Pat Condell's an interesting fellow, but I formulated my opinions long before I came across him. You silly sausage.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Don't you dare call me a 'Nazi'. My forefathers died to defend this country from Nazi invasion. Take it back, you owe me an apology.



    Highlighting the fact that Christians living in Saudi Arabia are oppressed by fundamentalist Muslims is BNP-esque (who I don't actually support anyway)? Okay. :giggle:



    Pat Condell's an interesting fellow, but I formulated my opinions long before I came across him. You silly sausage.
    Lol! Hardly. You're about as National Socialist as they get :wink2:

    Ah right, sorry, guess i misunderstood. :sadnod:

    Doubtful. You seem to have experienced a sea change in belief, from right wing BNP supporter racist xenophobe gay basher to right wing libertarian :p:
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    He's not a Nazi, he's as far away from National Socialism as you can get.
 
 
 
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