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    (Original post by Commonsense2009)
    Right! the economy and ignorance are the problems here, I saw the riots and it can be seen that POOR unemployed ignorant idiots were to blame. The recession was always going to create racial problems! it happens all over the world I.E Germany 1930's!!!!!!

    Birmingham is a beautiful city full of people who want to get on and live hormoniously. There are people in all cultures always looking for a fight! If we let these people hijack the city with their own racist adgendas, we tolerant and peaceful people will pay the ultimate price.

    Brtiain even in its time of empire ( i am a history specialist) has always been a tolerant occupier. It always allowed different religions to keep their id's.

    For those that dont know, migration happend in europe becuse the Europeans in the 21st century couldnt even live in a mono-european society. So you tell me, is discrimination going to leave the shores of britian with the dispelling of ethnics? NO!


    Today the muslims, tomorrow the jews, the no one else but the U, adn nobody will be around to help you.

    If anything this country is stronger richer and more vibrant!

    So for the idiot who wants to shoot the "darkies" how about u get an education? or read a book you'll see that genocide does more harm than good.!

    What we need to do is have a common brummie identity!!! I have some gr8 ideas, This will help unite us beyond myths of racist ignorance ( from all sides) and help us all realise black or white we british and should be proud!
    Your full of it.
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    (Original post by rob6709)
    Your full of it.

    At least i know my **** may be full of it, makes sense and you know it!
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    (Original post by Media student)
    which they failed apparently
    Yes...Good old Birmingham City Council




    /sarcasm
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    Retyping your thread: Communists clash with Patriots in Birmingham
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    (Original post by burninginme)
    The UAF are nothing but a bunch of mindless, left-wing thugs. I am shocked at the level of government support these scumbags receive. They do nothing but show how hypocritical the left wing are. The UAF behave like the real facists.
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    Perhaps I'm missing something but what exactly is wrong with protesting against "Islamic extremism"? Surely "unite against fascism" should be joining in and giving these people a hand against evil, homophobic, misogynistic, fascistic Islamic extremism? If they really did stand for freedom that is and not just jump on anyone who dares speak out against the very pernicious elements of extremist Islam.
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    glad i wasnt in town todayyy!
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Perhaps I'm missing something but what exactly is wrong with protesting against "Islamic extremism"? Surely "unite against fascism" should be joining in and giving these people a hand against evil, homophobic, misogynistic, fascistic Islamic extremism? If they really did stand for freedom that is and not just jump on anyone who dares speak out against the very pernicious elements of extremist Islam.
    So the English Defence League doesn't fit that criteria lol. Secondly, what does that sort of protesting actually achieve, how would a bunch of football hooligans shouting silly slogans and racial slurs end Islamic extremism?:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    So the English Defence League doesn't fit that criteria lol. Secondly, what does that sort of protesting actually achieve, how would a bunch of football hooligans shouting silly slogans and racial slurs end Islamic extremism?:rolleyes:
    How does a bunch of student stoners having a grand old time shouting slogans with their silly placards stop the BNP, the war in Iraq, student top up fees or anything else they regularly protest against?

    I don't particularly care for their methods, but it's their right to protest and as far as I can see it's a perfectly legitimate thing to protest against. I didn't say it would be effective.

    I wouldn't say the EDL is "evil", and I don't know enough about it to say whether it's misogynistic or homophobic, but tbh you haven't answered me at all, Islamic extremism clearly is all the things I mentioned and UAF's defence of it speaks volumes about the British left.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    How does a bunch of student stoners having a grand old time shouting slogans with their silly placards stop the BNP, the war in Iraq, student top up fees or anything else they regularly protest against?

    I don't particularly care for their methods, but it's their right to protest and as far as I can see it's a perfectly legitimate thing to protest against. I didn't say it would be effective.
    Don't answer a question with a question. No one is questioning their right but what exactly are they going to achieve by protesting outside random mosques and going into heavily congested public areas shouting at every dark skinned/Muslim looker like. All they're doing is alienating the very people they supposedly want to stop extremism.

    The UAF doesn't defend Islamic extremism where did you get that from.
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    UAF = Bunch of *****
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    Don't answer a question with a question. No one is questioning their right but what exactly are they going to achieve by protesting outside random mosques and going into heavily congested public areas shouting at every dark skinned/Muslim looker like. All they're doing is alienating the very people they supposedly want to stop extremism.

    The UAF doesn't defend Islamic extremism where did you get that from.
    It's a perfectly acceptable method of answering your kind of question. Again, I didn't say it would be effective, but nice straw man

    Ok so if I start a protest against dogs and you come break it up it doesn't kind of imply that you actually wish to defend dogs? No? Oh of course it doesn't it just means you actually hate me and wish to look for a fight at any chance you can get. Well yeah I see your point there is that interpretation too. Either way UAF don't come out looking particualrly good.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    It's a perfectly acceptable method of answering your kind of question. Again, I didn't say it would be effective, but nice straw man
    No it isn't your dodging the issue, but let's just assume you don't know.

    Ok so if I start a protest against dogs and you come break it up it doesn't kind of imply that you actually wish to defend dogs? No? Oh of course it doesn't it just means you actually hate me and wish to look for a fight at any chance you can get. Well yeah I see your point there is that interpretation too. Either way UAF don't come out looking particualrly good.
    They didn't come and break it up they came to counter protest. Secondly I hardly believe that a bunch of skin head yobs shouting paki ******* came there to peacefully project their message without arising any discontent or anger.

    Lastly it's safe to assume UAF has much more sympathy than a bunch of unemployed pub bums.
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    No it isn't your dodging the issue, but let's just assume you don't know.
    it's not at all. You asked me how they'll accomplish anything, I in return asked how the UAF regularly hope to accomplish anything using the exact same methods and adding that I didn't particualrly agree with their methods.


    (Original post by Diaz89)
    They didn't come and break it up they came to counter protest. Secondly I hardly believe that a bunch of skin head yobs shouting paki ******* came there to peacefully project their message without arising any discontent or anger.

    Lastly it's safe to assume UAF has much more sympathy than a bunch of unemployed pub bums.
    No they came to disrupt it. That's 100% their entire purpose.

    I love how it's ok for you to make racist generalisations about a bunch of white guys but if anyone dared do it about when Muslims protest you'd be the first shouting "racism".
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    I was there today, I tracked the EDL and UAF from 2pm ish. Just got back

    Will look through my photos and videos. There was quite a bit of violence, a lot of charging/retreating from various groups. Huge police presence. The main body of EDL got trapped in a pub just off new st by the police for 2 hours, they were then bundled onto buses and taken away.

    I'm knackered, will post more later
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    (Original post by Smtn)
    I was there today, I tracked the EDL and UAF from 2pm ish. Just got back

    Will look through my photos and videos. There was quite a bit of violence, a lot of charging/retreating from various groups. Huge police presence. The main body of EDL got trapped in a pub just off new st by the police for 2 hours, they were then bundled onto buses and taken away.

    I'm knackered, will post more later
    thanks for the info, how do I look through your photos and videos?
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    I am shocked that UAF gets the government support it does, they are nothing but a bunch of mindless, left wing, aggresive pond-life and you can be assured that if there is any trouble, the UAF or other similar left-wing idiots always instigate it. I'm not say the right-wing aren't willing to fight back, but the lefties nearly always come it first.

    Also, it's interesting how the majority of the UAF crowd is either black or asian of some description. It kinda shows how much these people simply hate whites deep down. I saw videos and pictures from the last protest and it striked me as just an opportunity for them to attack whites alone.
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    (Original post by Media student)
    thanks for the info, how do I look through your photos and videos?
    I'm sorting through them now, will upload
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    Pics:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...wing-demo.html

    lol @ Socialist Worker banner.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    it's not at all. You asked me how they'll accomplish anything, I in return asked how the UAF regularly hope to accomplish anything using the exact same methods and adding that I didn't particualrly agree with their methods.
    Well can't you see those are totally different scenarios? when those "stoner students" protest against tuition fees or the War in Iraq they're protesting against people that are accountable to them, people that can actually change something. How in the world can a bunch of angry yobs shouting basically unfounded anti Islamic slurs under the guise of an opposition to Islamic extremism hope to get people who have the most influence on the issue on their side? How are Muslims supposed to react when the EDL like they will next week come to my town and protest about a newly built mosque? that just isolates the very people who we should be reaching out to.



    No they came to disrupt it. That's 100% their entire purpose.

    I love how it's ok for you to make racist generalisations about a bunch of white guys but if anyone dared do it about when Muslims protest you'd be the first shouting "racism".
    Well yes, the purpose of a counter protest is to disrupt the opposition's point of view, there's nothing wrong with that and perfectly legal. It does however become a problem when a bunch of ignorant boozed up yobs start to move beyond the "peaceful" part of the protest.

    Secondly Muslims are not a race, they're a faith group.
 
 
 
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