Discussion about EDL/UAF confrontations in Birmingham Watch

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then why is every news source referring to them as the UAF?
Don't take everything you read in the newspapers as verbatim. They see "anti-fascist" protestors and assume they're the UAF; most of it was arranged through facebook and I even got a (unwelcomed) message from local thugs who were arranging a counter-protest (but really, arranging violence) who said "the lazy UAF can't be ****** to arrange anything so we'll take it into our own hands".

I can copy and paste the message and the groups if you really wish.
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Tbh, it's evident from the pictures that the EDL is simply a thinly-veiled anti-Islam group.

And that a couple of Muslims in Birmingham are cocks.

And that both sides just want an excuse to fight.

What conclusions can we deduce from this? Both sides are in the wrong, both sides should be reprimanded and this shouldn't have been allowed to happen in the first place.
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Ok, this is my account of the day (i'm just going to ramble) :

My girlfriend and I first headed over to Broad st around 2pm which was where the EDL were gathering. At around 2:30 they started moving into town, where they found the UAF and the two sides chanted at each other for 20~min separated by a thin line of police on waterloo street.

The EDL started backing off, but quickly caught sight of about 15-20 youths of asian appearance, some wearing balaclavas who had worked their way around the EDL (and the police). The asian group taunted the EDL, who charged them and pursued them for a while. Meanwhile, the police had started to build lines of men around the EDL positions, resulting in the EDL being trapped on Waterloo street. They soon all piled into a pub, which was quickly surrounded by up to 50 police. The police wouldn't let them out, and thus a stalemate occured, with outbreaks of violence resulting from the EDL trying to exit the pub. At several points other groups attempted to get from new street to waterloo street to try and get close to the EDL, but were thwarted.

Eventually, the main EDL group were escorted onto buses which were taken to Lancaster Circus (a big roundabout near Aston uni campus). Other smaller EDL groups followed the buses, often catching sight of groups of Asians who would taunt EDL and then run off (followed by police also).

Birmingham basically turned into a hit and run warzone between 2pm and 6pm and it was crazy to see the various police lines forming up in attempt to keep the EDL away from the UAF, and various other groups trying to get at them. The most scary part for me was when some asian group charged down waterloo street, hurling bricks (see pic)at the police (and people watching) soon to be chased off by a counter charge from riot police.

Overall, the anti-EDL groups were kept apart from one another on New street for the best part of the aftrernoon, wheere as the EDL were primarily trapped in a pub. The smaller groups of EDL stayed around the area of the main EDL bunch, and you can see the smaller groups of EDL in two of the videos I took

Apologies for the terrible grammar/level of English, however I'm really tired at the moment

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EDL charge asian group:



EDL get trapped inside pub + news reporter:



EDL get trapped inside pub + news reporter:



EDL try break out of pub:



EDL try break out of pub :



UAF protesting :



UAF protesting:



Police line protesting EDL pub:



Random pro-islam group



Crowd gather around EDL pub:



Bricks thrown by asian group



Map of events, arrows = charges by various groups





I have some pretty decent videos of EDL chants, and charges but my internet is being slow- they'll be up later
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Cheers man, that was a really interesting post! =D
Only thing, could you put the images into a spoiler? They're massive mate.
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At least i know my **** may be full of it, makes sense and you know it!
Walking round town it really doesnt make sense. Everyone seems to stick to their own. As much as people want everyone to just get on its just not oging to happen. Weve always fought over different opinions history has taught us that. I personally can see more of this kind of thing in the future. I dont want there to be, i want everyone to get on but i just dont think its possible.
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What a day for me to decide to move into my student flat at Birmingham eh?

Looks like I missed most of the actual ugliness that occurred, when I was in the area it just looked like the police were massively over-reacting, making lines across streets etc.

Was the UAF presence the same people as the Socialism protestors? I saw them there earlier in the day.
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Overall, the EDL had little chance to be violent - although it was very clear a lot of them were partial to having a fight-oriented day. The UAF group was the only real 'protest' I saw, both the muslim/asian groups and the EDL were far more concentrated on just picking fights.
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yet more proof that multiculturalism dnt work!
Interesting why it's hardly mentioned in the media, very interesting indeed.
It's on the front page of the mail website

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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Overall, the EDF had little chance to be violent - although it was very clear a lot of them were partial to having a fight-oriented day. The UAF group was the only real 'protest' I saw, both the muslim/asian groups and the EDL were far more concentrated on just picking fights.
I don't mean to be picky but are the EDF/EDL two seperate groups or is that just a typo?

Also, am I right in thinking you're staying in Curzon? We'll have to meet up sometime, I'm quite impressed by your documenting this event.
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I don't mean to be picky but are the EDF/EDL two seperate groups or is that just a typo?
typo, corrected

(Original post by RadioElectric)
Also, am I right in thinking you're staying in Curzon? We'll have to meet up sometime, I'm quite impressed by your documenting this event.
yep, we'll prolly have a TSR meet closer to the start of term (don't really wanna go off topic atm)
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I'd have more sympathy for Asians if I thought they were cowering afraid of the big bad Brits

But the Muslims/Asians are like the primary aggressor

If you want to make a case for racism in this country, just look at this picture. This is what 2009 modern society gets you
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I'd have more sympathy for Asians if I thought they were cowering afraid of the big bad Brits

But the Muslims/Asians are like the primary aggressor

If you want to make a case for racism in this country, just look at this picture. This is what 2009 modern society gets you
I don't think the people in that picture are asking for your sympathy.

I reckon both sides in this "clash" are dicks, but I also understand how it must be hard to swallow your pride and roll over when you think people are marching against you.
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(Original post by indigoblue)

But the Muslims/Asians are like the primary aggressor
They were, but the EDL weren't given much opportunity
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I don't think the people in that picture are asking for your sympathy.

I reckon both sides in this "clash" are dicks, but I also understand how it must be hard to swallow your pride and roll over when you think people are marching against you.
Don't give me that rubbish. They came out with the idea of fighting white people. They weren't coming to beat up other asians.

******* apologists. Get a back bone like. Skinny ******* emo middle class children
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The EDL came down to protest and cause trouble. I don't blame the UAF wanting to kick their ***
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Yeah I don't think UAF are going to kick anyone, its the Asian chav scum they have with them
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Well the EDL are full of chav scum themselves. The previous riot was immense, just watching the EDL scum getting chased out of town was exhilarating. This one wasn't so big.
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Don't give me that rubbish. They came out with the idea of fighting white people. They weren't coming to beat up other asians.

******* apologists. Get a back bone like. Skinny ******* emo middle class children
Wow, I can see it was worth engaging with you. If you were to have a go at reading my post (remember reading? from school?) you might realise I'm talking about both sides there.
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Don't give me that rubbish. They came out with the idea of fighting white people. They weren't coming to beat up other asians.

******* apologists. Get a back bone like. Skinny ******* emo middle class children
I'm skinny, I wear tight jeans, and I am perfectly aware that the Muslim scumbags came out with the intention of attacking white people who got separated from the crowd. The left-wing yobbos there proved themselves to be the real racists, they absolutely hate white people. "British" Muslim youth in this country are brought up to hate anything that oppposes their backward system of beliefes and refuses to make allowances. They want to live in this country, yet they don't want to integrate, they want us to mold our lives around their beliefs.

I'm not sure if the first bit was relavent, but I hate people thinking I'm some left-wing sissy just because of how I dress.
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SMTN I like your account and pics of today, you should become a news reporter for "Aston University news" lol. All this protest crap is getting out of hand EDL/BNP/Muslim extremists are really beginning to take the piss now and quite frankly the birmingham city council need to ban all political related protests. This is the 2nd incident within a month and is a cause for concern. Got back of holiday last night and woke up to go and get a hair cut and all of a sudden I saw police and loads of asian/white people provoking each other, I was like the hell is going on here. I walked back to my flat sharply which is quite near the Bennett's Hill area of birmingham. It was absolute chaos. What ***** to come back to I was thinking.

Growing up in Birmingham all my life I have never encountered trouble like this ever, fingers crossed it will all just blow over and become a distant memory. I fully agree with burninginme comment about muslim youth do indeed need to learn how to integrate with other people living in england, but when you have groups such as the EDL/BNP it just add's fuel to the fire likewise do the extreme islamic groups. It's an absolute mess really if you think about it and innocent people will be harmed because of all this crap, thats the sad part. People like myself may suffer because of all this bull ****, just because I have brown skin EDL/BNP people will automatically assume I am a muslim while all the extreme muslim group followers will hate me because I am not a muslim and assume that I agree with EDL/BNP views........................... ...........
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