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    When universities receive an application I think they should know as few demographics as possible, nationality, age, gender etc becuase they shouldn't be able to base decisions on this. it should be done on merit. of course this is in a perfect world, but i do think it's disgusting that universities can advertise places as only being available to international applicants. discrimination much? i think so, it's just plain wrong.
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    I agree with nec benevolent, unfortunately I'm making too many stupid typos and spelling mistakes at this time, so I'll go to sleep :p:.
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    (Original post by The_Goose)
    When universities receive an application I think they should know as few demographics as possible, nationality, age, gender etc becuase they shouldn't be able to base decisions on this. it should be done on merit. of course this is in a perfect world, but i do think it's disgusting that universities can advertise places as only being available to international applicants. discrimination much? i think so, it's just plain wrong.
    Does this really happen though? (genuine question) I've never seen a position advertised as "international students only", and I've applied for many.
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    (Original post by Seffrican)
    Does this really happen though? (genuine question) I've never seen a position advertised as "international students only", and I've applied for many.
    No. But I am pretty sure universities would acknowledge that they accept or, more appropriately, require a certain number of international students, and they will make a number of concessions to attract them: guaranteed accommodation (sensible) and lower entry requirements (not sensible; the standard of some international students' English is dreadful).
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    (Original post by Seffrican)
    Does this really happen though? (genuine question) I've never seen a position advertised as "international students only", and I've applied for many.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle6788739.ece


    "Meanwhile, universities will be allowed to advertise places in clearing as being available only to non-European Union students, compounding the frustration for British applicants."

    I don't know if they do, but the fact that they can is appalling enough IMO
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    (Original post by The_Goose)
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle6788739.ece


    "Meanwhile, universities will be allowed to advertise places in clearing as being available only to non-European Union students, compounding the frustration for British applicants."

    I don't know if they do, but the fact that they can is appalling enough IMO
    They do in regards to clearing. On the Edinburgh Uni clearing web page it says that the quota for home/EU students is full, but international students are encouraged to contact the uni to enquire about the possibility of gaining entrance to the uni. And I'm guessing some other unis might state the same as well.

    1000th post!!
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Is it really a surprise? The fat cats at the top of society with their lavish mansions, city apartments, and stretch limos, obviously care far more about their money than they do their own country. Individualism is a grotesque, selfish, ignorant ideal. You can have an individual identity, but commitment to other societal hierarchical structures (the family, the region, the nation-state) should exist. Indeed, factory workers' jobs are being sold out as fast as possible to Mr. Kowalski from Poland, and we're seeing exactly the same thing with university places. Sure, I have no opposition to the best foreign minds coming over here and contributing to the intellectual scene; but to place a quota on British admissions is an absurdity almost beyond belief, requiring probably the most colossal nerve to put into action.
    lol @ the socialist
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    (Original post by Usar)
    lol @ the socialist
    I'm not a socialist.
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    (Original post by The_Goose)
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle6788739.ece


    "Meanwhile, universities will be allowed to advertise places in clearing as being available only to non-European Union students, compounding the frustration for British applicants."

    I don't know if they do, but the fact that they can is appalling enough IMO
    Yes, they do at least for clearing.
    Today in the Sunday Times the Nottingham admissions people were quoted as saying that for biology, they were not entering clearing for UK/EU students but that international students could still have places.
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    Outrageous!!! Im paying over 3k and still feel ripped off!
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    You sound exactly like one. You keep going on about freedom of speech and stuff like that (which I agree with), yet you want to deny that freedom to people who actually want foreigners over here in exchange for their money. I asked you this before since you seem more intelligent than a statist, but what the hell right do you have to demand people to "commit" to "society's" best interests (whatever the hell that means)? Try doing that in real life to a serious businessman and you'll get shot. Let individuals make their own choices. If someone wants to sell their house to an immigrant, you have no say in the matter. Using the government to stop them doing this (which is either what you want or what you'd like) is just criminal behaviour. Oh wait, we should all we can to serve "society."
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    Universities are companys, there not in it for us, there in it for themselves, the money. So its not a shock that they want more international students, as they make more money from them.
    Most (not all!) 3year uni courses could easily be taught in 2years but why isnt it?... oh becuase they make more money. Univeristies are extortionate, it sucks but theres nothing we can do, the government need to sort it out, but thats not going to happen any time soon.
    I'm abit of a pessimist
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    If you pay higher fees or taxes, then unis can cut the number of overseas students. Just vote for it.
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    Shock horror capitalist money making enterprises seek to increase their income by accepting more customers willing to pay a higher price. Surely people weren't honestly under the jaded illusion that education is a right as opposed to something that is bought?
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Agreed. The OP doesn't seem to realise the difference between international students and immigrants.
    No, but that doesn't change the fact that the primary role of English Universities is to educate people from England.
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    There is also a lot of rubbish in this thread about Universities being 'capitalist' and companies - which they are not. They are public institutions and state (under) funded. They are not profit making organisations. They are having to let in more foreign students because they do not have enough money to function otherwise.

    Perhaps if Labour hadn't made such a mess of things by trying to get 50% of people into University we wouldn't be in this mess.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    There is also a lot of rubbish in this thread about Universities being 'capitalist' and companies - which they are not. They are public institutions and state (under) funded. They are not profit making organisations. They are having to let in more foreign students because they do not have enough money to function otherwise.

    Perhaps if Labour hadn't made such a mess of things by trying to get 50% of people into University we wouldn't be in this mess.
    They are corporations though.

    Was the funding situation acceptable in 1997? What steps has Labour made to increase participation?
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    No, but that doesn't change the fact that the primary role of English Universities is to educate people from England.
    Isn't the primary role of universities to do research? International students provide the funds to do so. It might not be fair, but that's capitalism. :yes:
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    No, but that doesn't change the fact that the primary role of English Universities is to educate people from England.
    Are you sure about that?
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Isn't the primary role of universities to do research? International students provide the funds to do so. It might not be fair, but that's capitalism. :yes:
    I'm not really sure we can make such a clear-cut distinction between education and research, to me it seems your just playing at semantics. Research is an activity that goes on at Universities, but not for undergraduates who make up the largest section of Universities population.

    And even if we do suppose that research is the primary function of universities, who's interests, in the end, is this research for? Do we want a state of affairs where a large proportion of students come here, do their PHD's and then return to their home countries, resulting in their value being felt abroad?

    And as I have already mentioned Universities are not 'capitalist', they are public institutions.
 
 
 
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