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    (Original post by illy123)
    Exactly; their lack of consistency belittles their ranking. How can they alternate between LSE, Oxford, Cambridge each year.
    It's not 'belittling' anything, evidently too few of you understand how rankings are made in the first place. Each year they get a pile of statistics from HESA, add them all up, and churn out a score. Highest score at the top and then so on, simple. Since every year students are different, some have very slightly better grades, some might pick LSE over Cambridge or vice versa, staff come and go, new research scores are added periodically, people fill in surveys etc, then what you have is a variation of the numbers beneath the ranking. All the newspaper staff do is tot up the numbers and publish the end results- things are subject to change, and will again in the future.
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    (Original post by Vivisteiner)
    I can't remember there bring a degree course of that name...
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    (Original post by Flying Scotsman)
    Nah, you're wrong. Cambridge is considered to be a lot better for maths than Oxford. I did a maths degree at Warwick after I failed to get into Oxford. Over the years I've seen a lot of comparison between the courses and it's generally considered that Cambridge is the best place to study maths at undergraduate level in the country. At postgraduate level Cambridge part III is unstoppable. (you said it yourself, don't trust league tables!)
    What do you mean I'm wrong, you cannot dispute fact - I said that this year, Oxford is ranked #1 for Maths. I never said it was better than Cambridge for Maths, hence why I added the disclaimer at the end (trying to avoid responses like yours).

    Which course is 'better' is entirely subjective; from the point of view of the Times, Oxford is better. As I've not looked into maths, hence going by what I've traditionally heard, I'd probably say Cam is better. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer.
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    Cambridge, because i live there already so would save £££'s on accommodation fees.
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    (Original post by 0404343m)
    It's not 'belittling' anything, evidently too few of you understand how rankings are made in the first place. Each year they get a pile of statistics from HESA, add them all up, and churn out a score. Highest score at the top and then so on, simple. Since every year students are different, some have very slightly better grades, some might pick LSE over Cambridge or vice versa, staff come and go, new research scores are added periodically, people fill in surveys etc, then what you have is a variation of the numbers beneath the ranking. All the newspaper staff do is tot up the numbers and publish the end results- things are subject to change, and will again in the future.
    Just because the methodology is transparent and ostensibly objective doesn't mean it's not flawed though...
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    (Original post by KwungSun)
    Just because the methodology is transparent and ostensibly objective doesn't mean it's not flawed though...
    Of course not, but that user was suggesting because the top 3 had changed round three years running, then the ranking was somehow 'less credible' as a result. Rankings are always entirely credible and accurate based on the criteria used to construct them- the debate is whether the assumption that rankings themselves are useful is a sound one or not. If theres a method and figures to back up why table X has the LSE at whatever position it happens to be in, then fair enough, the 'flaws' come in the very idea that we can chart university excellence based on these rankings.
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    Talking about university rankings, which university provide better career prospects? say if we had two students:

    similar A level results
    similar gcses results

    both studying english, both with a 2:1

    (for the sake of argument lets suggest they interview to a similar standard as well). Does the university you go to make a difference?

    granted you cant automatically say well cambridge gives you better prospects as it doesnt in specialist fields which require a specific degree not available there, such as vetinary science or optology etc.

    but if you take regular plonky degrees that dont have a career at the end, say history, english, physics etc do you suppose a degree from a prestigious university is worth more than one from say an ex-poly?
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    (Original post by LiveFastDieYoung)
    Talking about university rankings, which university provide better career prospects? say if we had two students:

    similar A level results
    similar gcses results

    both studying english, both with a 2:1

    (for the sake of argument lets suggest they interview to a similar standard as well). Does the university you go to make a difference?

    granted you cant automatically say well cambridge gives you better prospects as it doesnt in specialist fields which require a specific degree not available there, such as vetinary science or optology etc.

    but if you take regular plonky degrees that dont have a career at the end, say history, english, physics etc do you suppose a degree from a prestigious university is worth more than one from say an ex-poly?
    This is a question that has been asked literally thousands of times on here- there's plenty of threads about it in GUD if you'd have a look. It can't really be answered with any accuracy- most of the evidence in the degrees you mentioned (i.e. with no specific career) says it doesn't really matter much, as the employers who don't specify which degree they want tend to split candidates on university name in rare instances. However, it is arguably more likely that the candidate from the more selective university has got superior critical thinking/problem solving skills that would make themselves shine at an employer's assessment. Assuming the other student also had these skills and perhaps the work experience to match, there isn't any evidence to suggest they'd remain unemployed because of the name on their degree.
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    (Original post by LiveFastDieYoung)

    granted you cant automatically say well cambridge gives you better prospects as it doesnt in specialist fields which require a specific degree not available there, such as vetinary science or optology etc.
    Cambridge has Vet Science
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Cambridge has Vet Science
    haha sorry not up to date with what the filthy tabs are up to
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    I'd choose cambridge, but still i'd much rather go to durham than either of them
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    Why would I want to be surrounded by people that I don't like? Somewhere spiritual and party mad for me
 
 
 
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